Psytrance in USA?

On 2009-03-25 17:46, cinderVOMIT wrote:
yin Atlanta pyite looooves to give head to the international talent!!

On 2009-03-26 02:02, kahn wrote:
Let me ask you a question... What exactly would you consider "non-commercial" full-on? I mean obviously somebody like Astrix would be considered mainstream. But even small time up and coming producers are making similar sounds in their productions; and I wouldn't consider many of these guys to be "mainstream" by any means. Is it this sound you are trying to avoid, or the names?

Are you really looking for full-on at all, or other types of psytrance entirely?

From my experience in the Southern California Psytrance scene, I can tell you that mainstream full-on is actually some of the HARDEST music to find. We do get some full-on from our locals (self included), and the occasional headliner at a club or large party; but usually we don't see this kind of stuff around here. Most of the Psytrance around here consists of "Pure Psytrance" (as the Trancers like to call it, but it definitely sits closer to "darkpsy" than other types, just might not actually be "DARK" emotionally), and of course Dark Psy. There is also a good amount of progressive and electro psy tech (or whatever you want to call the new wave of progressive).

If you're trying to avoid mainstream Psytrance sounds, and going more for the harder, tribal, and deeper sounds, you would definitely enjoy a trip out to the SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, and attending a party by Psytribe or others by association.

New York, and probably San Francisco in second, gets the most mainstream full-on Psytrance from what I've seen browsing through party lineups on this forum. So while you might be unhappy with the stuff you're seeing around NYC, I'm actually quite envious, since I personally prefer the more mainstream sounding full-on. But rest assured, if you ever make the trip out to Socal, you will find a completely different set of music at most of our psy festivals. Although, don't be surprised if you still see one or two DJ's playing Full-On in the morning.

On 2009-03-26 02:22, Alakazam wrote:

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On 2009-03-26 02:02, kahn wrote: Let me ask you a question... What exactly would you consider "non-commercial" full-on? I mean obviously somebody like Astrix would be considered mainstream. But even small time up and coming producers are making similar sounds in their productions; and I wouldn't consider many of these guys to be "mainstream" by any means. Is it this sound you are trying to avoid, or the names? Are you really looking for full-on at all, or other types of psytrance entirely? From my experience in the Southern California Psytrance scene, I can tell you that mainstream full-on is actually some of the HARDEST music to find. We do get some full-on from our locals (self included), and the occasional headliner at a club or large party; but usually we don't see this kind of stuff around here. Most of the Psytrance around here consists of "Pure Psytrance" (as the Trancers like to call it, but it definitely sits closer to "darkpsy" than other types, just might not actually be "DARK" emotionally), and of course Dark Psy. There is also a good amount of progressive and electro psy tech (or whatever you want to call the new wave of progressive). If you're trying to avoid mainstream Psytrance sounds, and going more for the harder, tribal, and deeper sounds, you would definitely enjoy a trip out to the SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, and attending a party by Psytribe or others by association. New York, and probably San Francisco in second, gets the most mainstream full-on Psytrance from what I've seen browsing through party lineups on this forum. So while you might be unhappy with the stuff you're seeing around NYC, I'm actually quite envious, since I personally prefer the more mainstream sounding full-on. But rest assured, if you ever make the trip out to Socal, you will find a completely different set of music at most of our psy festivals. Although, don't be surprised if you still see one or two DJ's playing Full-On in the morning.

You are so jaded by this melodic crap, Kahn...

Maybe one of these days you can examine your mind through a dark trance filter...

you don't trip much... huh?

On 2009-03-26 03:32, kahn wrote:

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On 2009-03-26 02:22, Alakazam wrote: Quote: On 2009-03-26 02:02, kahn wrote: Let me ask you a question... What exactly would you consider "non-commercial" full-on? I mean obviously somebody like Astrix would be considered mainstream. But even small time up and coming producers are making similar sounds in their productions; and I wouldn't consider many of these guys to be "mainstream" by any means. Is it this sound you are trying to avoid, or the names? Are you really looking for full-on at all, or other types of psytrance entirely? From my experience in the Southern California Psytrance scene, I can tell you that mainstream full-on is actually some of the HARDEST music to find. We do get some full-on from our locals (self included), and the occasional headliner at a club or large party; but usually we don't see this kind of stuff around here. Most of the Psytrance around here consists of "Pure Psytrance" (as the Trancers like to call it, but it definitely sits closer to "darkpsy" than other types, just might not actually be "DARK" emotionally), and of course Dark Psy. There is also a good amount of progressive and electro psy tech (or whatever you want to call the new wave of progressive). wow...what a story... you should write a book... i didn't mean to attack you or your family... just kinda threw that out there... but obviously you have some type of hang up about something; you use this forum as your place to express your feelings... thats okay pal... i am not attacking you.. so chill the fuck out... If you're trying to avoid mainstream Psytrance sounds, and going more for the harder, tribal, and deeper sounds, you would definitely enjoy a trip out to the SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, and attending a party by Psytribe or others by association. New York, and probably San Francisco in second, gets the most mainstream full-on Psytrance from what I've seen browsing through party lineups on this forum. So while you might be unhappy with the stuff you're seeing around NYC, I'm actually quite envious, since I personally prefer the more mainstream sounding full-on. But rest assured, if you ever make the trip out to Socal, you will find a completely different set of music at most of our psy festivals. Although, don't be surprised if you still see one or two DJ's playing Full-On in the morning. You are so jaded by this melodic crap, Kahn... Maybe one of these days you can examine your mind through a dark trance filter... you don't trip much... huh?

Wow that's really judgmental from a Trancer.

Assuming you read my original post, you can see that I specifically talk about how the Southern California scene is mostly made up of NON-FULL-ON Psytrance. How would I know this unless I've been to Psytrance parties where this was the case?

But to answer your question, I've been to many more events where there was little or NO full-on music. Most of the full-on at our parties is less melodic than I prefer to boot. (of course this is not always the case) Most of the Psytrance I've listened to at parties is in the realm of dark, "pure", or progressive. I can personally enjoy just about any flavor of psytrance (and other electronic music).

And tripping should have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MUSIC YOU LOVE. If you listen to the old goa heads, they talk about goa trance (and subsequently psytrance) being able to lift you up, to transcend your consciousness to a higher state, WITHOUT THE USE OF ANY SUBSTANCES. Not only is basing your musical tastes off PURELY off of drug related experiences closed minded, but it's limiting you to one specific state of mind to enjoy music in. If you believe that you NEED drugs to enjoy music, then it is you who has deluded yourself, or become "jaded" as you put it.

Plus, who are you to criticize MY musical tastes? This is the music that I personally enjoy listening to. I'm not hurting you by listening to it, and I'm not forcing it on you either. You shouldn't preclude that somebody's music tastes are "bad" or "wrong" simply because they differ from your own. The fact that you have precluded that MELODY itself makes music BAD is very arrogant of you. Most of the world's most historic and genius musical compositions are melodic. Beethoven? Bach? Or go up to the root of our movement... Pink Floyd? The Grateful Dead? The Beatles? All of these artists incorporated melody into their compositions. Even your "sacred" Goa-Trance, was at one time quite melodic. The definition of Psychedelic is not as clear cut as you would like it to be. What is considered "Psychedelic" to one person may completely differ with another.

YOU are trapped inside your own perception, so that you are scared and unable relate to anybody who exists outside of your paradigm.

The people who started the Goa and Psytrance movements are OPEN MINDED individuals who gained their musical experiences from a whole array of people and places. They would not be so quick to classify a whole genre as "crap" and instead try to take what they can from it, and IMPROVE it. There are no "bad genres" of music, just good music, and bad music, in ALL genres.

THAT, plus I've never met you (that I know of), and so I doubt you can make any kind of assessment about WHY I like the music that I do.

Myself, living in a music scene (in and out of psy) where the majority of people's tastes differ from my own (leaning more towards the "pure," tribal, and dark); I have learned that we must all be accepting of each other, and instead of criticizing one another simply because we have different tastes; we can learn from one another.

THAT, and the fact that hordes of people (music enthusiasts and not) around the world love the music that I love, means that I'm not alone in my music tastes. (though it shouldn't matter either) Don't type me as somebody who listens to whatever is thrown in their face because it's popular. I've listened to a very diverse array of musical styles (electronic and not), and this is the music I like, plain and simple.

On 2009-03-25 17:23, bastardsamadhi wrote:
yeah -- if you are looking for outdoor festivals with music specifically not mainstream full-on, US might be ideal for you! but it will take a bit of traveling...

But to answer your question, I've been to many more events where there was little or NO full-on music. Most of the full-on at our parties is less melodic than I prefer to boot. (of course this is not always the case) Most of the Psytrance I've listened to at parties is in the realm of dark, "pure", or progressive. I can personally enjoy just about any flavor of psytrance (and other electronic music).

And tripping should have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MUSIC YOU LOVE. If you listen to the old goa heads, they talk about goa trance (and subsequently psytrance) being able to lift you up, to transcend your consciousness to a higher state, WITHOUT THE USE OF ANY SUBSTANCES. Not only is basing your musical tastes off PURELY off of drug related experiences closed minded, but it's limiting you to one specific state of mind to enjoy music in. If you believe that you NEED drugs to enjoy music, then it is you who has deluded yourself, or become "jaded" as you put it.

Plus, who are you to criticize MY musical tastes? This is the music that I personally enjoy listening to. I'm not hurting you by listening to it, and I'm not forcing it on you either. You shouldn't preclude that somebody's music tastes are "bad" or "wrong" simply because they differ from your own. The fact that you have precluded that MELODY itself makes music BAD is very arrogant of you. Most of the world's most historic and genius musical compositions are melodic. Beethoven? Bach? Or go up to the root of our movement... Pink Floyd? The Grateful Dead? The Beatles? All of these artists incorporated melody into their compositions. Even your "sacred" Goa-Trance, was at one time quite melodic. The definition of Psychedelic is not as clear cut as you would like it to be. What is considered "Psychedelic" to one person may completely differ with another.

YOU are trapped inside your own perception, so that you are scared and unable relate to anybody who exists outside of your paradigm.

The people who started the Goa and Psytrance movements are OPEN MINDED individuals who gained their musical experiences from a whole array of people and places. They would not be so quick to classify a whole genre as "crap" and instead try to take what they can from it, and IMPROVE it. There are no "bad genres" of music, just good music, and bad music, in ALL genres.

THAT, plus I've never met you (that I know of), and so I doubt you can make any kind of assessment about WHY I like the music that I do.

Myself, living in a music scene (in and out of psy) where the majority of people's tastes differ from my own (leaning more towards the "pure," tribal, and dark); I have learned that we must all be accepting of each other, and instead of criticizing one another simply because we have different tastes; we can learn from one another.

THAT, and the fact that hordes of people (music enthusiasts and not) around the world love the music that I love, means that I'm not alone in my music tastes. (though it shouldn't matter either) Don't type me as somebody who listens to whatever is thrown in their face because it's popular. I've listened to a very diverse array of musical styles (electronic and not), and this is the music I like, plain and simple.