PoM
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Posted : Feb 10, 2010 22:26
imo most of the troubles to get a good bass is not on eq and compression or what synths you use but on speakers placement and room acoustic , in a bad room with bad speakers you can tweak for years and still not get a good bass ,something that take you maybe 20 minutes in a decent studio.
learning the room when you have some 10 db peaks and - 50 db nulls is almots impossible ,you can tweak forever. room acoustic is the factor number one on your poduction.
Medea
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Posted : Feb 10, 2010 23:06
Yeah, and when you finally have tweaked the super-ultra-cool bass, it meets the listener, with his room and his speakers http://soundcloud.com/aedem
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 01:08
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On 2010-02-10 22:26, PoM wrote:
imo most of the troubles to get a good bass is not on eq and compression or what synths you use but on speakers placement and room acoustic , in a bad room with bad speakers you can tweak for years and still not get a good bass ,something that take you maybe 20 minutes in a decent studio.
learning the room when you have some 10 db peaks and - 50 db nulls is almots impossible ,you can tweak forever. room acoustic is the factor number one on your poduction.
That's the thing. Most soft synths these days are very good. The plug ins included in the native software are also good, then you have all them great 3rd party plug ins compressors and EQs.
In other words, we all have the gear to make great sounding kicks, basslines, leads, fx.
It all comes down to your ability of identifying the problems and making sure you mix accordingly.
Its not an easy process, especially if you go into notes that trigger the room's characteristics like crazy.
The solution to this is to listen again and again to tunes you know sound great, try to get that spectrum down and then when you mix, make things sound in the same ballpark.
Its very important that you choose tunes that are in same key as the one you are making. No point righting a bassline at C1 and you want it to sound like a bassline that you favorite artist made at A1.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 02:07
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On 2010-02-05 11:58, dj chichke wrote:
it's takes few months to get good kick and bass combo
Maybe 1-2 minutes to find the combination (With a coffee + a cigarette in one hand + Holding and talk in the telephone in the other) But first have to made them no ? .. That can take 5 min' more and for the rest - Filters , compressor and that 3 more min' , Then to hear it and being happy with .. 2 min'.
Total (Max) = 15 minutes (In a very bad day) .
But as Soulfood wrote its taking years to get there .
Its all up to you .. Same as life . Good luck then ..
you know that's what i ment...anyway the bassline have to be good before any processing.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 04:42
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you know that's what i ment
Yes i know .. 12 years on cubase but im always remember the firsts 3-4 years , Man .. I was suffer days and nights to bring my self into an good results . My head was blowing .. Didt know what to do , Realy , But you see there in left <----- More then 2000 posts in isratrance and this is not because i want or like to talk , Every week since april 2004 i upload a new track in here , I think more then 50 tracks , Now its good having support around when peoples are helping/telling you fix here or there thats cool for sure , But there is no better then diging inside/into the all vsts machines days and weeks and thousand hours and learn it step by step .
Time will come and you will see ..
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Posted : Feb 11, 2010 19:16
I found that for the bass and kick to glue together it is very helpfull to use the same synth to produce both.
I was using bazzism 2 to create my kick and my hardware synth to create my bass, 2 days ago I tryed using my hardware synth to produce a kick and bass that glued together and the results were magnificent.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 20:45
How about multiple bandpass filters.?
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 20:48
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How about multiple bandpass filters.?
What for?
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Posted : Feb 16, 2010 10:59
Welcome to isratrance
Use the search feature, the bass issue is oprobbaly THE most talked about topic on this site. Plenty of links provided above and they will take you some time to read but great infi supplied.
Enjoy
Mark
Check out my site for Video tutorials and other tips & Tricks
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Posted : Feb 16, 2010 15:07
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On 2010-02-10 14:20, subconsciousmind wrote:
don't use eq or comp or any other fx. if you can't make it sound fat you are doing something wrong. it's true.
I'm almost there. I no longer use compression, but I'm always cutting at 500hz to get that scooped sound and to make some space. Though you can get a similar sound by adding a notch filter on the synth which is better because you can add tracking straight from the synth, but it does sound quite extreme compared to EQ.
Ok... I just had a bass revelation.
Sylenth1. No Comp. No EQ. This sound could break rocks
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Posted : Feb 16, 2010 16:56
i got the tau pro and the muon electro,and times can be nice the ppd tritium! so it's so useful the bass for 4 strings!vb-1 and the bass from cakewalk.
kBBBkBBBkbbbkbbb
k bbk bbk bbk bb
K b k b k b k b
cut out he low freqs below from 40hz- 120 hz the sub bass
get attenuate into the 120hz +5db get down in 300hz -3db and get up into 1240hz+4db
and the kick get ou the sub bass andlook for the bestmix and eq with the kick and the bass!
search in youtube.com
and this is my advice copy the all styles and see how function them and look for yourself style,get your own style then!
and here you got the links for more support
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 19:52
Right then, I recently bought Albino 3, so here is a sample of a quick go at making that single saw, trance bass.
The high pass is a standard 24dB/8ve that is all the way way up to 46Hz and there is still so much bass!
It needs a lot less EQing than the ES1, its very different in sound and I can mess with actual ramp of the saw, which will give me a much wider palette of bass sounds for the future.
Very good sounding filters and snappy attack with no clicks.
Gonna get a lot of use in the future, for everything really.
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 21:12
can you uplaod man ,would like to listen on my monitors, you use es1 since so much time that you may be a bit tired of it?i would love to get logic synths as vsti hehe
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 21:35
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On 2010-02-10 21:04, soulfood wrote:
I'm completely the other way round. I'd often do the bassline in about 5 minutes and just carry on, same as the rest of the track. Whereas 4 years later I won't even start the rest of the track until the kick and bassline are my finest work to date.
I suppose I've spent the last 4 years trying to get the most perfect kbbb line and the next step is throwing in notes of varying length but without losing the drive the 16ths would bring to the track. A very difficult task indeed. Then the next step will be getting those on the beat notes to sound just as crisp without compromising the kick. Then once I've got all that down, it's going to be all about breaking the rules
So hopefully in another 4 years I'll have a pretty nice bass style I can call my own
that's where I am now....I have realized in the end that no matter how good the rest of my track sounds , there is always something wrong with the bass....
So, my new approach is to get that right first and then to continue...
assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
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Posted : Feb 17, 2010 22:28
i dont like the filters in albino actualy..
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