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psyshop.com dosent want to sell Seres Music Compilation [they say its not their style]
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bbgun
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 16:55
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Business is business. |
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moki
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 17:11
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and there are lows. the problem is again that the business in the trance market is done again by people who do not even have the media management education to do it. sometimes i am laughing so much.
i heard ankur recently at a party, it was really nice. i dont get the idea of psy shop and i actually truely believe that they did not mean it like that. i can imagine that there was a big package of releases that were offered to them, and at the end of the day psy shop did not wanna deal with so much. too much work. they did not check the releases....they just said they dont want.
so they just prove that they know nothing about media management or long tail. sorry to tell you that but the fact is obvious.
low is low. disadvantage of a label on the market is quite restricted in certain cases. not only in advertising but also especially what the cultural products are concerned - music, books and so on.
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moki
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 17:12
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but i am interested to prove exactly the case. i will check the lows right now and come later.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 17:54
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On 2009-01-26 17:11, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
the problem is again that the business in the trance market is done again by people who do not even have the media management education to do it.
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I think there is more to it than that. I would not be stocking that compilation either, if it was up to me, nothing personal against the company in question and I think psyshop is doing quite alright as a business.
If you think syshop is picky, you should try beatport, they are even harder to get on to.
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 19:22
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On 2008-07-08 16:43, Darius wrote:
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Oh by the way since you mentioned it its not psychedelic trance music that i dont like,its the so called dark psy that i dont like which is not psychedelic trance music so dont get confused 
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+1
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wow this story sucks!!!
what sucks more is that people like the one quoted above (+1) just keep on throwing their shit on the hard work of other people "from the same community" instead of supporting the scene as a whole....especially when there are such dumb arrogant/materialistic distributors around...
they cant even understand shit....cos there are two or 3 tracks on this CD (cosmo- super skunk 3000, and aerofurious top 2008 etc) which are (of the subgenre) def the best two tracks around...
full support to seres music....
darius use the +1 when you know what you are talking about...
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moki
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 20:06
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well, i spent a bit time with the lows right now and i only see arguments that prove that this is not okey. it might have been okey, if they would have not given any reason but they did and they did it in front of a third side. which is clear an act of disadvantage and image issue in front of a third side. i dont know what are the contract points between seres and this third side so i cant judge but as far as the reason is concerned - it is quite illegal to give this as a reason. and btw it can cost money too.
i am slowly quite disturbed with all these things. i would find it interesting if we all go to court soon, it will be fun. i could get some "schadensersatz" ( means money for abuse but i dont know the english term in the low) from so many people too.
trust in trance. in trance we die. or we end up in court.
peace all around.
and btw psyshop is really nice. it is my favourite.
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moki
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 20:08
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they just dont wanna support the style obiously. no idea. i would never even imagine that the situation looks like that if i had not read. it is so sad. the roots. are gone. they think they are so much better in anything. stop with this joke people, you are grown up men. it is so funny. or we really end up in court, i will be okey there. studied it well enough to know my rights perfectly. but you dont. you will be the looser at the end of the day. cant wait for this day.
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 22:48
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What laws are you talking about? Psyshop would hardly be a monopoly if that's what you have in mind.
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moki
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Posted : Jan 26, 2009 23:53
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of course i dont mean monopoly.
i mean unfair competition or unlauterer wettbewerb in german. and seres is as far as i know situated in germany. no participant in the economical transfer of a market has the right to bring another market player to disadvantage, at least not without an objectively provable reason. in german economy lows....in a paragraf (4) there are different possible implications of this low abuse. the image lost in front of a third part or player is definitely not allowed. and it costs money.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 04:45
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On 2009-01-26 19:22, NIKTHEQUICK wrote:
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On 2008-07-08 16:43, Darius wrote:
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Oh by the way since you mentioned it its not psychedelic trance music that i dont like,its the so called dark psy that i dont like which is not psychedelic trance music so dont get confused
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+1
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wow this story sucks!!!
what sucks more is that people like the one quoted above (+1) just keep on throwing their shit on the hard work of other people "from the same community" instead of supporting the scene as a whole....especially when there are such dumb arrogant/materialistic distributors around...
they cant even understand shit....cos there are two or 3 tracks on this CD (cosmo- super skunk 3000, and aerofurious top 2008 etc) which are (of the subgenre) def the best two tracks around...
full support to seres music....
darius use the +1 when you know what you are talking about...
bom
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Different people like different things. Is that so hard to understand?
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 05:09
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Psyshop market music that increases sales.
Progressive and "Twilight" psy would sell much more easily to the non-psy market as well as a large sgment of the psy community.
Dark psy does not sell except for the relatively smaller dark psy community and therefore will not be marketed or sold at Psyshop.
Take a look at their coming soon list www.psyshop.com
Progressive and full on/"twilight".
And there are some awesome darker release coming soon, as you can see at the coming soon section of www.saikosounds.com
it is a marketing and sales thing.
I can't see what the big issue is, Psyshop.com are not bound by any law to sell all releases or styles of this scene, they are a private company that wants to earn a profit.
Sureley Seres could find alternatives to marketing their music and sales, therefore showing Psyshop they are worth the investment rather than behaving like a little kid that lost it's candy.
Seres release was great, one of the best for me in 2008, and I look forward to more.
If I can't buy on Psyshop then Saiko gets my mony 
Simples 
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moki
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 09:16
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they are not bound to sell but their reason is illegal. simply. literally. it is done in front of a third side. this is illegal. but i already explained.
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 11:20
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What exactly do you think (or know?) the reason was?
There is no reason that could be illegal.
If I understand all this correctly Psyshop (Detox) did not sell it because the seller/label had crazy ideas on the "how".
Psyshop has no duty or obligation to sell anything. Especially not if the "origin of the product" has difficult "requirements".
Psyshop and a label or different leagues, you cannot put them as competitors. Not to mention that the label apparently started the fire. This would not look too good infront of the law (whatever the occasion would be).
You are spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt.
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The Chilling Spirit
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 11:21
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For some reason I cannot edit posts anymore (with Opera?).
"Psyshop and a label or different leagues" should be "Psyshop and a label are different leagues"
http://enjoys.it |
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moki
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Posted : Jan 27, 2009 11:55
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people i am really tired of users telling me what is what. dont take it personally, i like you, but i am just tired. if you get a high university degree in media management with all the media lows included, and if you show it to me, then you can also tell me that i am spreading uncertainty.
i can show you mine though. am i clear? i know i am too sure of myself sometimes, and i even had a " nice" conversation with ankur in another topic too, but just let me know what am i talking about. okey?
they dont have to be competitors to abuse the lows. they only have to put your image down in front of competitors or other market players ( well in certain cases). about the fire between the label and detox, this i cannot judge, absolutely no idea. of course then things change completely. i will leave the topic right now, i said enough.
i like psyshop because it is the most professional that i ever seen in the trance scene. and i like the appeal oof the website , the usability. i like it more than all others.
but if they dont wanna distribute dark, well, of course they have no obligation, i was talking about the disadvantage of a label in comparison to all other labels. because i DID see dark there on psyshop before. and this attitude is restricted in german lows.
i cannot know the reason, i am discussing the case as from what i see it is written here.....
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