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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 02:26
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hey.. I dont play chaotic..even if I dont stick to a scale Im sure there is a harmony,just a bit more than sticking to some rules imo or in my case.
There is no need to play all in one note ,you can use a third up for one element or maybe a quinte above for sth else I guess more or less it could still have a harmony on a paper from this score,atleast I guess so.For me it sounds ok so far.More knowledge always welcome,thanks for links.Chordhouse is actually my starting page when starting my browser  the others are new to me.Sonictransfer seems interesting..
and the cipher looks like it could be what Im looking for,just need to spend some time on it.
what Im looking for in a upside down way:
..for example a standard progressions of chords in c major is :
1 : c-major (first hmm dont know the righ word I say now level or mode? )some should know what I mean.
2 : a-minor (yes minor in a c major 'path') the 6th level/mode
3: f-major (4th step,step could it be too I guess)
4: g-major (5th quinte )
..confusion pure in a standard thing.. so ,I wanna know more about the minor chord progressions if someone knows or can share some light,maybe in a more comfortable/understandable way than mine with my 2 cents this would be wonderful.
good night
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freechameleon
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Posted : Jan 30, 2011 09:56
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i'm sure all you want to know for now about chord progressions in minor is here:
http://www.thecipher.com/triadsDATA-4mode-sum-110p.gif
just in case it is not clear, i write how to build the chords in a scale:
instead of writing down the notes of a specific scale, i just use numbers, because this applies to any 'regular' scale!
so all 'regular' scales consist of 7 notes:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 (in c-major: c d e f g a b)
you build the triads like this:
1 3 5 (c e g)
2 4 6 (d f a)
3 5 7 (...)
4 6 1' ( ' = one octave higher)
5 7 2'
6 1' 3'
7 2' 4'
[i also don't know the right english word, but for sure it's not mode. it might be 'scale degree' or 'scale step'. anyway, it's not important for playing.]
you don't have to think about if they are major, minor, diminished or augmented, just use the notes of the scales and the specific intervals of the scale will make them major, minor, ...
(check at looknohands, it's really true)
now what you do is play a sequence of those chords you just built and you have a progression. some don't follow each other as well as others, some sequences fit perfectly together.
i guess you are looking for 'cadences', special very usable phrases of chord progressions. not necessary to learn, you will hear/feel what progressions enhance tension or release at the end.
and lastly: the opposite of sticking to a scale is not playing chaotic, it is 'playing changes'. this is what most pop or rock musicians do (afaik). and this has nothing to do with breaking any rules nor is it inharmonic!!
you either play chord after chord, as you like them, or you change scale every once in a while (every bar or 2 or whatever) and build your melody to fit the chords.
but: the more voices you add, the higher is the necessity/wish to stick to a scale for a longer period. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2011 18:03
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Hello freechameleon thank you for taking the time.Yeah I guess Im looking for cadences.I have to check your link properly.About triads etc I know.Some useful infos for me in your reply.
Very appriciated.
Greets
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 15:27
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 16:08
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hahaha
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 22:06
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this is my absolutely favourite record of music history.The whole ummagumma album is really timeless art.A monumental piece on its own.
Written in 4dimension from soul and heart it must be.Great .. and yes genius! ..
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SineFreq
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Posted : Jan 31, 2011 22:53
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On 2011-01-26 01:28, piXan wrote:
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Quite a few of the unreleased tunes we have are on Fsharp, which is Mars' resonant frequency, apparently.
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Hey man im really interested in that statement.
is there a theory behind musical notes and its resonance on planets ... and stuff ?
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Check Out this book:
The Cosmic Octave Origin of Harmony by Hans Cousto
I really love the information it contains : )
It lets you understand why things are the way they are.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0940795205?linkCode=xm2&tag=invihand-20 |
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alajarvela
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 18:37
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Dunno if this falls into this category but what notes or scales etc. would you use for a Japanese-styled song? What are the typical japanese melodies like and what kind of root notes does they use? |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 18:47
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On 2011-02-01 18:37, alajarvela wrote:
Dunno if this falls into this category but what notes or scales etc. would you use for a Japanese-styled song? What are the typical japanese melodies like and what kind of root notes does they use?
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just play the black keys 
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 19:52
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Indeed pentatonic sounds oriental. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 1, 2011 20:57
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On 2011-01-30 09:56, freechameleon wrote:
i'm sure all you want to know for now about chord progressions in minor is here:
http://www.thecipher.com/triadsDATA-4mode-sum-110p.gif
just in case it is not clear, i write how to build the chords in a scale:
instead of writing down the notes of a specific scale, i just use numbers, because this applies to any 'regular' scale!
so all 'regular' scales consist of 7 notes:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 (in c-major: c d e f g a b)
you build the triads like this:
1 3 5 (c e g)
2 4 6 (d f a)
3 5 7 (...)
4 6 1' ( ' = one octave higher)
5 7 2'
6 1' 3'
7 2' 4'
[i also don't know the right english word, but for sure it's not mode. it might be 'scale degree' or 'scale step'. anyway, it's not important for playing.]
you don't have to think about if they are major, minor, diminished or augmented, just use the notes of the scales and the specific intervals of the scale will make them major, minor, ...
(check at looknohands, it's really true)
now what you do is play a sequence of those chords you just built and you have a progression. some don't follow each other as well as others, some sequences fit perfectly together.
i guess you are looking for 'cadences', special very usable phrases of chord progressions. not necessary to learn, you will hear/feel what progressions enhance tension or release at the end.
and lastly: the opposite of sticking to a scale is not playing chaotic, it is 'playing changes'. this is what most pop or rock musicians do (afaik). and this has nothing to do with breaking any rules nor is it inharmonic!!
you either play chord after chord, as you like them, or you change scale every once in a while (every bar or 2 or whatever) and build your melody to fit the chords.
but: the more voices you add, the higher is the necessity/wish to stick to a scale for a longer period.
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thanks again.Just wantet to tell you that I had the last days an intense edutcation on music theory(what a destiny or luck to my curiosity ),well intense in short time so to say.Enogh to answer my question.
You had right ,I wanted to know about cadences!
All we really need for it is a bit knowlege about dominante,subdominante,tonica etc or and just the circe of fifth!I realized Im big fan of tritonus and the lil seconds hehe as for the intervals also.
Peace
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