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freechameleon
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 08:52
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On 2011-01-20 14:20, monno wrote:
Am i the only one not finding melodies and chords particularly psychedelic? Don´t get me wrong i did study traditional music theory, but i just never cared for dogmatic music systems when i had synthesizers capable of expression beyond that of established structures. The only instance where i apply theory (by ear) is when making basslines. I couldn´t tell you what notes, chords or scales i use in that context to save my life though.
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i guess it comes down to what one defines as 'psychedelic', and one can start splitting hairs with definitions if one just wants to.
i grew up with psychedelic goa melodies, so i connect (in electronic music) the appearance of oriental/eastern melodies as very psychedelic and full of strong emotions.
as you studied music theory you know that some scales, patterns are typical for some special types of music (always with exceptions, in case someone thought to jump on this!).
so if you were to write flamenco, would you choose ANY scale or specific ones?
if you were to write blues would you choose patterns specific to blues?
if you were to write african songs, would you use african drums or an indian citar? |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 09:19
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On 2011-01-20 14:20, monno wrote:
Am i the only one not finding melodies and chords particularly psychedelic? Don´t get me wrong i did study traditional music theory, but i just never cared for dogmatic music systems when i had synthesizers capable of expression beyond that of established structures.
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Which means you can play riffs, creating lead patches that sound really cool (cool meaning really twisted/evolving, to plain awesome sounding TB-303 like), to play riffs that would other wise sound plain.
For me, its not a matter of choosing between "dogmatic" music systems, OR wanking off my synth's modulation matrix, to obscure win...its a matter of exploring both intricate sound design and playing a nice note sequence.
Peace out.
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 12:00
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On 2011-01-21 08:40, freechameleon wrote:
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On 2011-01-20 11:37, Nomad Moon wrote:
1-3-1 means root-3rd semitone - root? (in the scale or really 3rd semitone) 
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when you describe a scale in halfsteps it's (in the case of 1-3-1):
note - 1 halfstep up - 3 halfsteps up - 1 halfstep up
there are a couple of scales containing this pattern.
starting from c this would be: C - C# - E - F
i really like this site:
http://looknohands.com/chordhouse/piano/
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Wrong!
1-3-1 means root - major third - root.
In C:
C E C
in A:
A C A
in B:
B D# B
etc
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 12:01
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| http://www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/Planetary%20Harmonic%20Charts/Keybord-Color.jpg
How correct this is i dont know, i recommend searching for more info regarding this matter!
And if you find more info please post here to share with all.. I remember a book i read on this, color and chakras.. |
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Relevant only for people with color synaesthesia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia
And not always. Some say LSD (and other psychedelics) induce temporary synaesthesia.
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Why can't? Because it's not allowed, or it doesn't sound good?
Usually, the most interesting sounding stuff is the ones that break the rules. Force in perfect fifths (they usually sound good, always).
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 12:08
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On 2011-01-21 08:40, freechameleon wrote:
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On 2011-01-20 11:37, Nomad Moon wrote:
1-3-1 means root-3rd semitone - root? (in the scale or really 3rd semitone)
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when you describe a scale in halfsteps it's (in the case of 1-3-1):
note - 1 halfstep up - 3 halfsteps up - 1 halfstep up
there are a couple of scales containing this pattern.
starting from c this would be: C - C# - E - F
i really like this site:
http://looknohands.com/chordhouse/piano/
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Thanx for the description, i use that site also, but just to get a hint cos i really don't know chords and progressions, but if the root for example was in A the halfsteps would be different i imagine |
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 13:09
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On 2011-01-21 12:00, Mike A wrote:
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On 2011-01-21 08:40, freechameleon wrote:
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On 2011-01-20 11:37, Nomad Moon wrote:
1-3-1 means root-3rd semitone - root? (in the scale or really 3rd semitone)
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when you describe a scale in halfsteps it's (in the case of 1-3-1):
note - 1 halfstep up - 3 halfsteps up - 1 halfstep up
there are a couple of scales containing this pattern.
starting from c this would be: C - C# - E - F
i really like this site:
http://looknohands.com/chordhouse/piano/
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Wrong!
1-3-1 means root - major third - root.
In C:
C E C
in A:
A C A
in B:
B D# B
etc
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yes that one
www.sattelbattle.com
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 13:20
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On 2011-01-20 11:37, Nomad Moon wrote:
1-3-1 means root-3rd semitone - root? (in the scale or really 3rd semitone)
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when you describe a scale in halfsteps it's (in the case of 1-3-1):
note - 1 halfstep up - 3 halfsteps up - 1 halfstep up
there are a couple of scales containing this pattern.
starting from c this would be: C - C# - E - F
i really like this site:
http://looknohands.com/chordhouse/piano/
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Wrong!
1-3-1 means root - major third - root.
In C:
C E C
in A:
A C A
in B:
B D# B
etc
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yes that one
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Sorry but i missed that. forget my last post please. |
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freechameleon
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 15:06
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haha, this is very funny, at least for me. ;-)
if you want to prove someone wrong for whatever reason you might have, try to read and understand the information given.
try not to mix halfsteps with intervals! :-P
don't tell me this is all about intervals, because i clearly stated in my first post that it's about halfsteps, actually something unnecessary to explain!
so i copy the 'hungarian gypsy persian' scale from the link i posted:
C Hungarian Gypsy Persian Scale
intervals: 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,7
half-steps: 1-3-1-2-1-3-1
notes: C,Db,E,F,G,Ab,B
PLUR! |
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Jan 22, 2011 19:55
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this is awesome.
period.
I want a spare brain.... or 2. |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Jan 22, 2011 22:40
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proof that a workin knowledge of music theory make your music more trippy. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 04:26
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THe more I know about music harmony the less I tend to watch somewhere else or practisce kinda new scale from somewhere else to a new tune or consider to have it all on one note or anything like this.
I think the right way for me is to play by ear and tune all by ear,it's a different approach & simply works best 4 me.
Learning more about harmony & practising scales is a fundamental thing to me though, it can only expand your musical horizon and genearate sweet joy when playing keys with new colours.
I like to combine dark acidy moods (pads) with indian or ethnic elements..I mean chords progressions and scales.Trippy acidy goaish dark and kinda indian or gypsy makes fun to me.
Can someone eleborate more on chord progressions that fit together with a minor scale?(All chords simply in minor is wrong - or boring ,not the real way to make it sounding good)
I need to practise less scales and more progressions,just mostly it is about major on the net ..or I need to check again that damn circle of fifth  after some time witout practising theory I always tend to forget more than I wish.
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freechameleon
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 08:29
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if you don't stick to a specific key, then - of course - everything and all chords are possible.
in minor you have much more chords to choose from than in major, that makes it pretty open for a lot of variations.
best start is that in minor you can actually choose from all the chords that are natural to natural minor, harmonic minor and melodic minor scales.
i guess it's easier to get a hold of the whole idea when you check this table for the triads:
http://www.thecipher.com/triadsDATA-4mode-sum-110p.gif
that doesn't mean you can pick random chords, just to say you have broken the rules, but you can use a different scale in the intro or main theme, for example. or just introduce different chords in the last bar (or 2 or 4) of the buildup, to create additional tension.
you can/will hear what is right, or the other way: the more you know, the faster you will get something you like, without having to try all chords.
and don't forget to use the inversions of the chords.
after all you can do what you want if you like what you hear! |
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ansolas
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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 17:04
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piXan
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 01:28
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Quite a few of the unreleased tunes we have are on Fsharp, which is Mars' resonant frequency, apparently.
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Hey man im really interested in that statement.
is there a theory behind musical notes and its resonance on planets ... and stuff ?
www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/ |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 01:39
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Planets and stuff  hehe
I guess everything has its resonant frequency.
But i have no clue how they can tell which resonant frequency a planet has.
But i guess if you know the area and such mathematical factors you can calculate, If you cannot experiment. like you would be able to do with your own room for example. But it might blew your ears, hehe
most important for me is that it resonates in a nice way that makes me wanna groove and move, or feel and heal!
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