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Psy Trance with surround sound (5.1)
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Disciple
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 18:49
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Does anyone here create 5.1 music, it would be great with Psy Trance as the extra dimension and swirling sounds would sound alot better with 5.1. SACD/DVD-Audio is becomming popular so why not? |
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Blizzard
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 19:12
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No, i want to, but dont have a surround setup.
I wonder how it would sound to have one speaker per instrument in total mono (six way mono). It should theoretically give a tighter sound than having two speakers run everything, but it might sound a bit strange when we are used to the traditional stereo image.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 20:52
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im going to invest in upgrading my 2.1 system to 5.1 but that wont happen for a long while...
i think it could be super cool for psytrance.. but the acoustic side of it all is a issue and getting a good rig to play on is probably very rare and im sure the party organizer must have a lot of cash to get it good..
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Blizzard
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 21:38
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Yes, i dont think a lot of organizers or clubs would be glad to see a rider specifying a surround PA system:-)
It would be really cool to experiment with a multichannel setup, i have a strong feeling that you can get a very powerfull sound by having different parts in different channels. One mono channel for the kick, one for other drums, one for the bass, one for leads, one for pads/fx, one for sub (for example).
If you have powered PA speakers it should'nt be hard to set up. I know a guy that's sort of an oracle on PA rigs, have to ask him his opinion the next time i see him. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 21:57
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man... it would be awsome to trip inside a 5.1 system... haha...  a train comes rushing by or just a alien sound swooshing by... a alot of possibilities for neat tricks.. like paning bass and kick to front and back...
this would for sure be fun to have at home in rightly setup environement..
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Blizzard
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 22:01
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I was in roskilde in 99 and saw shpongle live after eating some shrooms, and those shrooms worked great cause i heard a lot of sounds in surround:-) One of the best nights in my life by the way! |
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HaKa
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 22:02
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indeed i was talking about that with one friend but its difficult to do that i guess, and for sure more more money
i will do it maybe in the future
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 23:36
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You could do some COOL stuff sitting in the middle of a circle of speakers. Have all kinds of swirling 360 madness.
Very specialist though, you're looking at the home listening market really as you couldn't go near that with clubs, unless it mixed very well down to mono.
Gives my a headache just thinking about the problems you'd encounter!
Plus you'd need a record label willing to take a chance on your music and release a DVD or (are there any 5.1 cd formats, SACD? not sure) |
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 23:52
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Could someone elaborate on what exactly the problems/issues are that would be faced in trying to make psy trance in surround?
I'm curious!! 
Besides the club and release aspects of it, i'm keen to understand what hurdles one would face at production level!!
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 01:27
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Good question.
I'm not entirely sure as I've never worked in 5.1, but I'd imagine that filling all the frequencies would take a while with that much panning ability.
Also, if you put elements in mono (kick or bass) and they play at the same time on all the speakers, wouldn't that mean you'd have to mix that element a lot lower so as not to over power the whole mix. I'm sure you'd have to scrap what you already know about mixing volumes and start again.
You'd also need 5.1 monitors!
You'd probably need a swivel office chair and a huge circular room! My room is a bad enough shape for acoustics, I wouldn't like to think how long it'd take to get 5 monitors to sound good.
I may be talking rubbish, but could you line all the speakers up in a very wide row just pan flat, rather than have all the speakers around you? No idea..
Altogether, I think its too ambitious for anyone without a pro studio. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 01:58
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Actually ... the studio I do alot of work in has a 5.1 setup based on 5 Genelec 1037Cs and a big sub ... Hmmm ... Maybe I should do a surround mix of one of my tracks.
And that means MORE SOUNDS and MORE LAYERS! I always run out of space to put all those sounds in.
Food for thought ...
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 02:05
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Chromatone was one of the first people to explore this idea at a few parties over the last few years here- well, him and the people who were willing to go through all the extra work of setting up a balanced sound system set up to handle the concept.
Setting up a proper surround system is a pain in the ass. Think of how much trouble you've seen with people just trying to get 2-channel party soundsystems sounding right...
Anyway, one of the places was at a new club with a very modern computer controlled sound system, and the other was at Burning Man 2 years ago (I think) where someone set up a big 8-point surround system out in the middle of the desert.
Chromatone didn't write new songs for these dates, but made specific bussed bounce tracks that specified synth tracks separately that were designated to be swirled around in the surround manner.
It wasn't elaborate or anything, there's a little controller in Logic 7 that kind of looks like a virtual trac ball that lets you move sound around in a circular manner.
Anyway, Logic has that, and Nuendo has many surround features too, it's just that there are so few venues with a sound setup capable of taking advantage that I don't think many people have bothered.
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Tomos
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 07:59
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That sounds amazing. Wish I could have heard that!
Despite not writing new songs just for the setup, I think its very commendable to even attempt. The idea as a listener of having everything moving around me is very appealing. Pass that cone! |
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Disciple
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 22:31
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Id like to see one sound travelling one way round the speakers and another countersound travelling the other way. You could also have one sound pulsing from front to back. The amount of detail you could get in would be astonishing! |
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Nov 12, 2006 18:03
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Question :-
In Surround Sound .... The "movement" of sound is controlled by Volume or PAN? What controls this?
Don't surround effects sound good on Stereo speakers?
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