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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 10:44
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First of all i wanted to clear first that it's not a topic about what is the best genre .
This is a topic about the production skills.
I was listenning the other day to a classic "Dig Your Own Hole" album by the Chemical Brothers, and i tried to focus less on the music itself but rather the production quality. The clearness of the instruments, the mixing, stuff like that. And i spotted that after good years of really high quality produced Psy Trance i have difficulties with hearing the music that once i was really in love with. Well i know that part of the main idea in Break Beats/Big beat is the roughness of the sound but the last track on the album, "Private Psychedelic Reel" which was once considered by me as a peak of their career, sounded really pale in comparison to the same flute on breakbeat melodies courtesy of Simon & Raja.
Same goes even to Prodigy's Fat of the Land album, which is filled with noises, especially the "Firestarter" tune.
When i compare it to the great material that is released within the Psy Trance genre i always judge in favor of Psy Trance. Artists like Psychopod/Kox Box, Simon Posford, Logic Bomb, Space Cat and god forbid even GMS really standout in comparison to most of the Electronica releases. With the exception of most of American artists who always know how to produce right (Moby happily excluded).
The comparison maybe unfair but that's how i feel. And i would like to know what you think about.
And again, this topic is not about what's better. It's about Production Quality
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 11:43
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Not true - modern IDM/Electro and some forms of house and techno music have production that's much clearer than most psytrance music nowadays.
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 12:49
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I find that many, Many house artists (Not to be mistaken for DJs) have an amazing understanding of what sound is. the same goes for Jungle producers and pure techno. also, braindance (Aphex Twin, for instance) has many bright producers with vibrant and clear sound production. in sum, i think psytrance still has much to learn in terms of production values (progressive notwithstanding)
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 14:03
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hey i dont think there're very much artists in other electronic genres who is reaching IM's quality 
but this band is kind of stand alone in the field.. i do agree - many psytrance artists would learn from other styles producers
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yossi
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 14:05
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On 2003-01-30 12:49, Jason (LyTe) wrote:
psytrance still has much to learn in terms of production values
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 18:09
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there is good producers in every genre, there is good musicans in every genre..
without make a long descussion about what genre have better quality of production i simply will recomend u some cd's from last months that realy have outstanding quality of sound and production that come not from trance labels. listen to them, check it, came back to say what u think.
Westpark Unit - Selected,Collected,Related.. (Draft Records) - minimal house album with EXTRAORDINAIRE production. oh my god, realy. distributed by our dear DOMO.
Frankman album from Draft Records also, freestyle at high quality, enjoy this one for sure.
Cass and Slide - RMX's - Fire Recordings - well, they are realy kings of electronic sound and production, im sure u will not like it (beside the Astral Projection - Liquid Sun Rework), but its a realy one of the producers that always make it better than any trance producer.
check this three cd's. Space Cat (with a big respect to Avi for colorful past) will sounds a bad joke after u will release what a sound is going there.
but there is realy good sound engeneers in trance also, Frogacult sure worth checking for clearlest sound in trance.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 18:48
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Cass & Slide are known by me, mostly by their remix to Astral Projection (which i didn't like at all) and some of the tracks that appeared on Global Underground compilations. I think that when i'll say that when you take more minimal approach to music it's easier to get better, sorry, cleaner sound. When i was mentioning Chemical Brothers i was clearly talking about sample filled music with multiple amount of layers. All the other you mentioned i never heard, but freestyle sounds much appealing.
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Young&Twisted
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Posted : Jan 30, 2003 19:42
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i think psy psytrance trance psycgedelic and ambeint r more hard to make from house dance and club music because the beat the kick and etc...
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Jan 31, 2003 04:15
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I tend to agree with you Ninja, I have also felt while listening to "classic" electronic albums that there is something missing in terms of sound quality.
I think that its absolutely amazing the strides that have been made in this field the last 10 years.
There is such a huge difference that I even have trouble listening to some stuff that could be considered the "fathers" of electronic music, like the Velvet Underground and Kraftwerk. When I first heard "Autobahn" I thought it was the most brilliantly simple tracks ever. Now I'm not so sure.
I can't really get technical on this issue because I simply don't know enough about it, plus I don't want to sound like an idiot which I probably will anyway, but I think it has something to do with the Seperation of the Sounds and Instruments from each other.
The old stuff that you hear is alot more meshed together and it's harder to block out things and listen to one particular thing while obsessing over a specific track.
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david kebab
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Posted : Jan 31, 2003 05:19
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2 things u forget, chemical bros and prodigy albums u talked about, r both very old, and both sorry 2 say r not the best from those 2 groups.
u should check some IDM artists for some masterfull music making and soundmagling.
people like telefon tel aviv,metamatics,funkstroung, anthony shakir,akufen -people who keep pushing the envelope. also people like losoul, isolee, rework,and many more who fuse house with cliques and idm. digital music area is here. and some people actually make digital music which does not try 2 be analog.
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Posted : Jan 31, 2003 09:38
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Well picked David Kebab .. was thinking the same thing .. listen to the last release of Chem Bros and you can hear a change in style which is closer to the track "It Doesn't Matter" but more advanced and more interesting to listen to ..
Crystal Method, Tweekend (2002 - US group) I really liked the track "Roll It Up" because of the interesting way that they had cut & sampled Tom Morello's (Rage Against The Machine) wah-guitar style back into a track that builds on that line with the big sound of Chemical Brothers and I did happen to catch them live which was a great sounding experience as well .. but more or less it was a similiar production style but a few years advanced with new toys..
I feel that mixers of Psy are more focused on clarity, definition and depth of their sounds, especially the good minimal artists and are less concerned about what the final output medium of the user will be .. where the artists you mention have their mixes full frequency, big p.a in mind but squash the life out of it for radio..
I feel like I hardly ever get the same physical bass pump and suck effect I get from Psy out of commercial records because the mid range is so present..
Like banging techno, the bass full but the synths are so present and high they grate on my ears like a rock guitar does.. |
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 31, 2003 11:51
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On 2003-01-30 19:42, Twisted_oshri wrote:
i think psy psytrance trance psycgedelic and ambeint r more hard to make from house dance and club music because the beat the kick and etc...
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no need to say more.
but one more thing anyhow :
psytrance is undeveloped compare to others genres in all domains !
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 31, 2003 12:23
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On 2003-01-30 19:42, Twisted_oshri wrote:
i think psy psytrance trance psycgedelic and ambeint r more hard to make from house dance and club music because the beat the kick and etc...
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no need to say more.
but one more thing anyhow :
psytrance is undeveloped compare to others genres in all domains !
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This is really a stupid thing to say. Psy Trance exists 10 years, it gave birth to enourmous amount of sub genres and affected more commercial styles like Club Trance and Trance. And you say it's undeveloped???
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 31, 2003 13:44
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space ninja ,I don't know if u really deserved an answer !
wil give u a chance...
actually trance exists a bit more than 10 years.
and 10 years its nothing !
compare it to rock !
compare it to ambient !
compare it to...
trance is just a baby which this baby is much more complex to develop than the others genres!
specialy because of the the groove that should fit with the cooler BPM that should make full adrenalin in parties and so on...! (trance is much more than mix and sounds , it most be groovy!)
and u should have experience with many instruments.
its hard to explain why its hard to make psy , u should try it !
I gave up , it take fucking long time to learn how to take care everything in this genre!
u have to be much more talent than the others genres , its not like house and dance !
bottom line : psytrance is still a baby compare to others genres. anyway these days u can feel development in the psytrance finally!
however lots of "artists labels and such.." which release bad stuffs (bad production..)slow this development a lot !
PS next time don't say stupid to something others reply to ur thread !
respect!
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