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pstrance parties and culture..opium for the trancers??

piXan
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Posted : Aug 11, 2006 19:47
i have been a supporter of psytrance in all its modalities, music, parties, culture, expansion of consiousness and it all.
but on the last months i have come to doubt about this "values" psy its suppose to encourage, specially on the expansion of consiousness factor, which i have come to believe it is mere crap (in the psytrance genre and community), as this expansion would carry many changes on personality and views on many things, and right now im talking about the world´s state of violence.
i realized no one (almost) wants to even talk about these issues, always with the same line "if ii change i change the world" i dont disagree, but as sick we are with greed in politics, the solution is not to dance it away , in parties were most likely ure being a consumer and contributing to the machine. most people say : its the state responsability, i am not into politics. but thats so wrong,we are responsible for the leaders we have and in some way of their actions too. so if we are really "aware" it is a responsability to take actions and make the politicians notice. i really look up to fred neuromotor for expressing these feeling in his music, instead of the childish names some tracks and content have. anyway i not want to burst any plastic bubble. just a thought.           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
Psycosmo
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Posted : Aug 11, 2006 22:53
Agreed.
ZeRo
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Posted : Aug 12, 2006 01:30
GREAT WORDS PIXAN...somebody said on this forum that trance should stay away from politics. well I have news for you folks. The trance scene cannot subsist on bullshit values forever. I love trance music and I love the energy at parties but where does it go? does it get channeled anywhere higher than ourselves? I know that its hard to find ppl higher than ppl at trance parties but seriously! parties exist on the same earth where millions of people are suffering every day. its hard to find easy answers but I feel like we should at least start by making an effort in the right direction...I am throwing my first party in mid september and I am going to donate all the profit to a certain charity. I have not figured out which one yet but I cannot guiltlessly put my energy into throwing a huge party without at least recognizing the world around us. in order to travel I need to make sure my home is stable.
          ein chadash tachat hashemesh. there is nothing new under the sun. --kohelet.
MercuryFall
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Posted : Aug 16, 2006 20:44
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On 2006-08-12 01:30, ZeRo wrote:
The trance scene cannot subsist on bullshit values forever.




I beg to dissagree.

Politics and mass disinformation by goverments, THAT is bullshit values.

Do you mean that psychedelic and consiousness values are bullshit values instead??????

Then I have to ask you.... why were you ever in that scene? drugs?

Everyone has a point of view on politics, world events, etc.

I don't think that Trance has anything to do with this.

In Israel, for instance, Trance has been a shelter from an horrible political situation since the beginning of the movement. Even if there was an extremely brutal and horrid terrorist act somewhere in the country, parties got organized all the same in the evening.

Is that escaping? Yes and no. Yes, it is escaping from a form of reality we despise and want the world to live without. No, because it's not just escaping, it's trying and creating an <b>alternative</b> to the situation, especially with the power of the mind and consciousness.

Now I've been around for a while also, and I know how it really is. But there are always in each party a few minds that make it all worth.

Politics is politics, trance is trance. Never meant to be mixed - trance is political through the way of life it implies and promotes, that's enough.           V/A Floating Mirror - OUT NOW - with Celles, Midimal, Electrypnose, Melodix, Troll Scientists, Yab Yum, Gaspard, Ajja, Cradle of Beats! Info on
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 16, 2006 21:51
Quote:

On 2006-08-16 20:44, MercuryFall wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-12 01:30, ZeRo wrote:
The trance scene cannot subsist on bullshit values forever.




I beg to dissagree.

Politics and mass disinformation by goverments, THAT is bullshit values.

Do you mean that psychedelic and consiousness values are bullshit values instead??????

Then I have to ask you.... why were you ever in that scene? drugs?

Everyone has a point of view on politics, world events, etc.

I don't think that Trance has anything to do with this.

In Israel, for instance, Trance has been a shelter from an horrible political situation since the beginning of the movement. Even if there was an extremely brutal and horrid terrorist act somewhere in the country, parties got organized all the same in the evening.

Is that escaping? Yes and no. Yes, it is escaping from a form of reality we despise and want the world to live without. No, because it's not just escaping, it's trying and creating an <b>alternative</b> to the situation, especially with the power of the mind and consciousness.

Now I've been around for a while also, and I know how it really is. But there are always in each party a few minds that make it all worth.

Politics is politics, trance is trance. Never meant to be mixed - trance is political through the way of life it implies and promotes, that's enough.





ever get this feeling when the party is over , like all this energy put by thousands of people , all for what? it feels empty. but we must try to bring the attitude of psy to the everyday life, and it may also mean get engaged in politics or whatever it takes to get your psychedelic consiousness to existance. without that, its nothing, shallow.           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
Gopendragon
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Posted : Aug 17, 2006 07:36
At the early 90's ,when goa trance started there was no any kind of touch with trance and politics,no any idea or a thought that psychedelic music could have something common with politics...nowdays as the trance music have reached an evolution level with full on dark etc...everything is possible,even politics got in trance more and more.
As the years passing we are getting more and more opened in much other views about subjecting and expressing ideas and beliefs through trance,the spiritual thing and the space galactic themes start to be classic,so many wars with bushes,blairs and other fuckin presidents maken us thing more seriously what would gonna happen in the future on our planet,we worry about and we want to start doing our revelation on raves with messages trhough music and festivals.
Personnaly I hate politics and I dont wanna see them in parties,but the years changed and seems that we must take responsibilities about the luck of the planet,we are the wild youth and we keep hidden an atomic energetic bomb inside us as we gather at trance festivals with 30000 crowd,we breath poluted oxygene from those bombs wich are thused on wars and we care about our health,life,future...and surely our conciousnes screams when we innocent people and kids dying,and on the other hand some politicians get rich and taking control up on our heads...

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After the End,a new Begining startS..
Dogon
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Posted : Aug 17, 2006 11:57
It's about COLLECTIVE CONCIOUSNESS......

The physical materialistic world is the result of COLLECTIVE UNCONCIOUSNESS.....           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
MercuryFall
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Posted : Aug 17, 2006 13:10
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On 2006-08-16 21:51, piXan wrote:


ever get this feeling when the party is over , like all this energy put by thousands of people , all for what? it feels empty. but we must try to bring the attitude of psy to the everyday life, and it may also mean get engaged in politics or whatever it takes to get your psychedelic consiousness to existance. without that, its nothing, shallow.




yeah, I know what you mean, sometimes when the music's over it feels like everything is lost, every precious moment...
To get the psychedelic consciousness to existence, there are several ways. I think that being kind and caring with everyone and smiling at everyone in the street, bus, etc.. . is one way to promote our consciousness (we are one!)
Engaging in politics, well, i don't see why not, if you feel you can change things for the best this way!           V/A Floating Mirror - OUT NOW - with Celles, Midimal, Electrypnose, Melodix, Troll Scientists, Yab Yum, Gaspard, Ajja, Cradle of Beats! Info on
http://www.myspace.com/moonlooprecords
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/mol/mol1cd001.html
piXan
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Posted : Aug 20, 2006 06:03
hello. i am not trying to say that everyone should go and get into politics or bring this discusions here in the forum, cause i know that would be a wreck.
What m trying to say is basically is if we are using the trance experience, as a real psychedelic phenomena and with all the changes in attitude and personality it brings, or just to have a good time. if u are in the first option you cant be blind to the bloody reality in which we are living, and supporting (even unconsciously), and just giving ourselfs to hedonism seems shallow. i feel the need to do something, and sometimes is seems that the politicians just keep on spoon feeding us (why u think in many countries psytrance events are permitted even sponsored,,, cause we are harmless!!!) harmless to the stablishment, i once thought that psy scene was a counterculture like the hippy scene in the sixties. then i thought it was a mere subculture, living in the undergrouund. but now that not even applies. we have been sucked into the system, so mostly when we go to a party we are just fueling the system.. and not a thousand candyflip trips can take that off. as for now and the answers im getting here i am indeed thinking that psy scene is indeed opium for the trancers. because deeply we arent comfortable with this way of life. well at least i am not.           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
Med
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Posted : Aug 20, 2006 07:47
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On 2006-08-11 19:47, piXan wrote:
. i really look up to fred neuromotor for expressing these feeling in his music,




We r the children back in the light,we shall make a change n head the world the other way,,well,maybe its just an illusion,juz like hippies tried to change the world with * make love not war * still i beleive it wont change if no1 puts an effort... anywayz they say the mother wont feed her baby unless hez crying ! So no1 wud even notice that we ask for peace until u say it loud..           Its Like a Drop That Falls Into the Ocean,or Perhaps the Ocean is Falling Into a Drop.
Shanti Jatra
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Posted : Aug 20, 2006 10:10
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On 2006-08-20 07:47, Mad Eclipse wrote:
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On 2006-08-11 19:47, piXan wrote:
. i really look up to fred neuromotor for expressing these feeling in his music,




We r the children back in the light,we shall make a change n head the world the other way,,well,maybe its just an illusion,juz like hippies tried to change the world with * make love not war * still i beleive it wont change if no1 puts an effort... anywayz they say the mother wont feed her baby unless hez crying ! So no1 wud even notice that we ask for peace until u say it loud..



right said bro            Shanti Jatra Fullmoon Festival, Nepal - October 2009

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mukti777
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 18:27
Thank you Pixan for starting this thread! I agree with many of your posts.
I feel it is imparitive that politics become a part of the 'party'. I don't agree with the apathetic view that is generally taken by the trance community towards politics. Many young people in the U.S. do not even vote! The results are unbearable.
Music can be the most powerful tool for descent! Add in all the other media tools used at parties, and you can make a wake up call that cannot be ignored!
I recently whitnessed how this can be done effectively...Anybody here listen to the Flaming Lips? Not psy-trance, but psychedelic none-the-less! At a recent show, after a dazzling video display of transcendant imagery and tunes about self-impowerment and connection with all of life, they came out for an encore doing a cover of 'war pigs' by Black Sabbath. The imagery used for this was astonishing...dis-membered Iragi children, families reeling in sorrow, missile explosions, oil fields and pompous politicians, etc. Now the crowd was very psychedelic...and not everyone wanted to be reminded of these things...but guess what? No matter how connected or self-realized we are...this is still here!! And we need to take responsabilty!
I don't have an absolute answer, but I do feel that by using media at parties, like illustrated above, changes in attitude can occur. The psy-trance movement is a GLOBAL culture that is changing the world in MANY positive ways! Politics are part of this gross, material reality that we need to confront. Art is and has always been the true weapon for revolution.
Whew...sorry for such a long winded rant...it's just the tip, though...           "Any act, if in accordance with the Will, is an act of Magick."
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Posted : Aug 25, 2006 20:30
rite said pixan
totally support this post           IT T@KES TIME N DEEPER SELF-RE@L!Z@T!ON TO FEEL IT ..... N WHN IT H@PPENS , U KNW TH@T U H@V FIN@LLY ST@RTED!!!!!!!!!!
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