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krisamadhi
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 21:45
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Eklypz
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 00:04
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Grr, not again. Things have just started to cool off from the last RAVE act. Shooo away congress people nothing to see here, move along. |
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Jeto
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 02:00
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 03:12
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basically means... well the RAVE act (reducing americans vulnerability to ecstacy) makes it so that if illegal drugs namely ecstacy are found to be at an event, both the promoter of the event and the owner of the venue can be found liable for assisting via providing a space for drugs to be used. its way outta line in my opinion. theres lots more fine print but thats the jist of it, is that if you throw a party and it gets busted, if someone is found with drugs there, they could pull this law and bust the promoter and club owner.
but its too general to pass i think, needs to be more specific, as right now as it reads , it includes sports arenas, rock shows, or pretty much anywhere people can gather. they are trying to reduce exstacy use, but in turn end up sounding like they want to reduce peoples ability to gather and listen to electronic music, cause you know thats the source of evil! the damn voodoo drums again, corrupting the fine upstanding youth of this morally pristine country!
im sure you could read more accurate info on the site.
anyways, couldnt hurt to send yet another letter to the congressmen, they might actually care?
yet another silly battle in the "war" on drugs, at least until they can find a way to tax you on how much fun you have. hehe
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Liquid-Vision
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 03:33
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sent both letters, but I doubt anyone cares.... |
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gatsby
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 04:30
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I think it would be very difficult to prosecute someone successfully using this. I don't see this used against small events, I see it used like the racketeering laws to "get" someone they can't get any other way.
There are workarounds: make dance events membership-based (no pay at the door); set up your dance community as a church and dance events basically are tent revival type gatherings, that would protect you under the 1st amendment free exercise clause. Exercise due diligence at events to ban people doing obviously illegal things. The main thing is to stay under the radar and not attract the attention of the State.
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Meta
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 05:12
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We've tried that in a couple different ways here in California, unfortunately without much sucess... it looks great on paper, but when it comes down to the actual event, claiming you're a church or private club doesn't stop the cops from showing up, hearing 'techno' and telling you to shut the music off if they really want to.
Prosecution across the board is probably not really their goal, but simply the ability to shut stuff down immediately.
Anyway, like you said, the best method is still to stay off the radar. As in do small events so far out in the boonies it's not worth their time to bust it. Of course, this isn't much help to people that want to throw festivals.
While using this law against electronic events sucks for obvious reasons, many people think the 'blanket' ability to fuck with ANY kind of event is the true intent of this kind of bill... emphasising 'evil raves' is just a way of getting by the public. An example being a Medical Marijuana rally with NO music at all being shut down in Montana (? I think? anyone remember?) using the 'knowledge of a controlled substance' clause of one of the previous bills that did pass.
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Drifting Along
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 06:49
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These people are no fun.
They keep trying to control and repress people's lives.
They continue spending money in bombs and going after the ones that like to enjoy freedom. It's a harsh world we live in.
Maybe they should try the remedy.
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gatsby
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 16:02
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On 2004-10-15 05:12, Aeon wrote:
We've tried that in a couple different ways here in California, unfortunately without much sucess... it looks great on paper, but when it comes down to the actual event, claiming you're a church or private club doesn't stop the cops from showing up, hearing 'techno' and telling you to shut the music off if they really want to.
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I was thinking more in terms of doing this to prevent a full-scale successful prosecution against organizers. Sure the police can still harass the event at the time. There are many events that have not been curtailed by authorities, such as Burning Man, so I have to believe there are ways of dealing with this.
Another part of this is you have to have the ability to sue the government. Yes, that means lawyers and money. I know it's hard but sometimes it's the only way.
It's probably easier to scatter and reorganize when this happens, but lawsuits work. I have done alot of research - there is a law called RLUIPA that would make it very difficult for police to harrass a local event put on by an alternative religion. You have to be willing to follow up with lawyers but the end result would probably be an end to the harrassment.
The upshot is you have to have a real church with people who sincerely believe that dance is their religion. Any indication that your church was established as a scam to bypass local ordinances, etc. will invalidate your whole effort. Being a church and religion only demands that people sincerely believe in something in the court's eyes. But you have to have that sincerity.
You don't have to look like Christianity, or follow the trappings of religion. You have to have a real community that pulls together and knows each other. |
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FARACID
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 17:32
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this document, H.R. 834 i think it is, was written well over a year and a half ago in Feb 2003... so, is this just a proposal or has the bill actually been passed and approved by congress already?? and do you really think it is that great a threat?? i think the US has more important issues to deal with right now than unjustly busting organizers
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Eklypz
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 17:38
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The original has been passed already. I am more scared about it being in the brains of the authorities again...it has quieted down somewhat...this is all a part of the "war on drugs", I am sure there are large investigations going on that have undercovers implanted in bigger cities. This will be something that they can use to nail promoters and it has been effective as a deterrent here in the midwest. A lot of the bigger promoters (Drop Bass, etc) do not do events anymore due in part to this law. Others have moved into clubs, which may as well be a total shutdown due to the controlled environment. |
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