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IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Jan 26, 2010 20:11
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Im with basilisk, moderation is ultraconservative.
I suposse next we wont be able to vote for ektoplasm artist and realeses in the annual poll?
Isratrance should support change an good new models to push music forward.
I think moderators are taking things too seriously and IMHO elitist way.
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jan 26, 2010 20:31
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If you would have a label... trying really hard to promote it properly!! And than you would be dealing with 100 of free releases in the Promotional releases section.. what would you think??? that suddenly your release which would be out in 3 weeks is suddenly on the 3rd, 4th page... and hundreds of Free releases topic in front of you! And your release with an invest of 2000$ and more behind those free ones...
c-mon  think about it
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 01:17
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I have not suggested that the promotional releases forum should open its doors to all free music.
The reality of the situation is that there are good and bad free releases just as there are good and bad commercial releases, but the ratios are different given the barrier to entry i.e. you need at least a bit of money to sink into a commercial release so the labels tend, on average, to put more time and effort into ensuring a higher quality standard. These are, of course, just rules of thumb--and the most equitable moderation policy would examine each and every release against a specific quality criteria. I am not proposing such a thing, however--it would be too laborious. What you want is something quick and fair. Presently the approach is to exclude all free music from the promotional releases forum regardless of quality. This is quick but not fair.
The idea of a free/netlabel release forum is nice but, again, it just makes those of us trying out a different business model into second class citizens on Isratrance. Again, I am fighting for equal representation on Isratrance.
What is needed is an "objective and simple criteria." Previously, the fact that Ektoplazm releases physical media versions of every free release allowed us to exploit a bit of a loophole in established moderation policy. The easy thing to do is allow this exception for the only other person following this path is Tsabeat, and his work is certainly of a high quality.
The problem here is a matter of principle: again we find that labels and artists interested in profiting from the sale of recorded music gain preferential access while anyone exploring alternate business models are marginalized for the sake of quick and easy moderation.
I can understand the difficulty. Your doubts are well-founded, Shahar. Even with a criteria requiring 5 releases and something other than a MySpace profile for a homepage you're still going to be stuck with debate. How about a social media metric i.e. 500 fans on Facebook? I see problems with this as well. So perhaps there really is nothing that can be done aside from making some arbitrary exceptions for the labels that have been around for longer than a year and post CD-quality downloads (or whatever). I just hope the Isratrance mod team considers a few of these criteria; perhaps a short list can be created that meets the requirements for both quick and fair.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 01:22
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On 2010-01-26 20:31, Psynthex wrote:
If you would have a label... trying really hard to promote it properly!! And than you would be dealing with 100 of free releases in the Promotional releases section.. what would you think??? that suddenly your release which would be out in 3 weeks is suddenly on the 3rd, 4th page... and hundreds of Free releases topic in front of you! And your release with an invest of 2000$ and more behind those free ones...
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Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I am trying really hard to promote my label. I also invest in my releases. Just because we give them away for free does not mean every releases costs nothing to make. There is hosting expenses to consider, professional mastering, and sometimes cover art. We are shifting profit potential from the clearly established (but increasingly marginal) sale of recorded music to 'cross-subsidies' like gigs and merchandising. Yes, there are a lot of mickey mouse operations clogging up the inter-tubes with amateur efforts. There are also people who are really serious about exploring an alternative to the demonstrably unhealthy 20th century business model that most psytrance labels continue to operate under. Is any of this registering?
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 11:06
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Again read my post above carefully? and read the full lines carefully!!! I have nothign against you..i LIKE what Ektoplasm is doing - i really do! Only what i am suggesting is to make a BUY THE RELEASE topic in teh promotional section.. and than after a while drop a FREE DL link into that topic! There would be no harm into this...
And i know you are doing a great job in Ektoplasm. Promotions, label activities etc... i am just conbtradicting to Login and Dennis the menace.. to let all the free releases into Promotional releases section!!! I believe there would be a mess for guy as you are, who are selling the release!
fairwell mate
T.
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d1m1tr1
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Posted: Jan 27, 2010
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The Return of Mr.Redax Mental? U suggest to people what to do with Releases when u had a label closed urself?
Great One...
And u are still a mod? Even more crazy
Farewell Mate
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 18:01
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OK. I think what we'll do is this. Free netlabels will be able to get a label status only after they have proven themselves as a serious ongoing thing, meaning, as a rule of thumb- either also selling their music, existing for over a year and working actively at that time, releasing more then 10 releases. Some mods will be in charge of deciding who's in. Only labels with label status will be able to post free releases in the promotional release section. All others will have to post only in the new section of Netlabels & Free Releases.
What do you guys think?
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Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 18:22
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Sounds reasonable to me!
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jan 27, 2010 18:32
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On 2010-01-27 18:22, Basilisk wrote:
Sounds reasonable to me!
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Posted : Jan 28, 2010 23:33
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Common sense win again 
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 29, 2010 17:55
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On 2010-01-27 18:01, shahar wrote:
OK. I think what we'll do is this. Free netlabels will be able to get a label status only after they have proven themselves as a serious ongoing thing, meaning, as a rule of thumb- either also selling their music, existing for over a year and working actively at that time, releasing more then 10 releases. Some mods will be in charge of deciding who's in. Only labels with label status will be able to post free releases in the promotional release section. All others will have to post only in the new section of Netlabels & Free Releases.
What do you guys think?
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sounds good
and sure ektoplazm is no.1 in netlabels no one comes even close
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shahar
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Posted : May 24, 2010 09:42
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OK, so here it goes.
This is how you get a label status as a free/digital only/donation netlabel. You have to conform to the following:
1. More than a year since the first release.
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2. Having at least 5 releases from different artists.
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3. Having your own website & using your own hub for downloads (i.e. no rapidshare/sendspace download links).
Everyone else can use the netlabels & free releases new section we'll start soon in the promotional area.
We'll give it a go for few months and then re-evaluate.
Thanks for all the suggestions and help!
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Beat Agency
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Posted : May 24, 2010 12:10
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Could anyone explain to me why a physical release is better quality and by that get the "OK" stamp from isratrance versus a free release? All it take to make a CD and get it distributed is Daddy's Money or some druggie money or in some cases your hard honest earned cash and a friend who make music in the bedroom. Basically isratrance is flooded by mediocre CD releases but apparently that's OK as this is quality music (sarcasm).
I do recognize your idea's Shahar and appreciate that you listen to the members but IMO it's a bit elitists and also not in the spirit of the original ideas this scene had to favorite commercial music over free music.
As I see it any Joe can make a CD and get a Blue color in this forum and access to post in the heavy traffic forum whereas serious talented artists who have realized that there's no winning or common sense in releasing CD's anymore are degraded into 2nd hand artists because some mods have a weird attitude toward free music.
I make all my music available for free and who can say I am not an established and well-known artists who once was very successful (I still each day get emails from people who love my music) and who have proven over the years I make quality music (meaning: I have my own personal sound and is just as high quality as those on High profiled labels) and could get signed to those labels any day too. But because I choose to release my music for free I am being looked at as a 2nd hand artists in this forum according to the "rules".
You should also allow artists who release their material for free to become "Blue".
My 2 cents and no intent to stir up things. I just feel for this topic and feel it's time for the community to change attitude.
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Posted : May 27, 2010 14:31
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1. More than a year since the first release.
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so, new good and promising netlabel with awesome releases will be kicked to second class?
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2. Having at least 5 releases from different artists.
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how you have figured the number?
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3. Having your own website & using your own hub for downloads (i.e. no rapidshare/sendspace download links).
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we are not host our own releases, we prefer ektoplazm, archive.org, jamendo, soundcloud etc...
no rapidshare, but why not?
at least, download sites can give some money back to label
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Everyone else can use the netlabels & free releases new section we'll start soon in the promotional area.
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Silent Existence makes great and professinal quality compilations, no label's site, no hub, no 1 year of presense, only 2 releases, So, it will sunk between topics of "my new myspace design update" and "listen to my mix of wizzy noise old tunes please"?
All this moderation stuff outdated.
Fair solution: Forum for Releases and forum for all other stuff.
Everything that has cover, tracks and publisher can be published. Why not?
Most of releases in promotion section even have no preview at date of posting, how you can decide what have quality and what haven't?
Physical media labels can't take enough not because of netlabels...
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Psynthex
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Posted : May 27, 2010 17:33
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Rules are rules! Voted, revoted by us and published by shahar! Own hub means being serious... why using other hubs and not investing money into nothing, if you are using tracks for free download!
And there are bigger net labels as Silen Existence.. with more releases, their own hub.. some of them are fullfilling all demands and dont want to use green status.. some of them are fullfilling 2 demands..and they are willing to wait to fullfill the other request by us ( moderation team )
Why is it so important anyway? Silen Existence knows what they should do.. they have heard our answer when they have applied for the label status...
enjoy,
T
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