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kahn
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 06:44
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On 2009-06-05 11:48, insane wrote:
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On 2009-06-04 08:07, kahn wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot that MELODY, CHORD PROGRESSION, BUILD UPS, and DROPS make all music "cheesy" right??? Because all music, like old classical music from Beethoven, or Bach is cheesy right?
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Beethoven , hmm, ur makin a big mistake by comparing his music to the "Standard" build=up full-on cheese etc... his music though classical was considered complex or "difficult to understand" by many in those times.. thats why its special.
 the standard - is boring, Very boring.
and as for ur 'dark hasnt progressed' , ur so not listenin to it ,so u wudnt know its way more complex, way more psychedelic..
just so u know, im not a representative here for the "dark".
carry on bashing
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"The Standard" in any music style is boring. But within everything there are hidden gems. So stop shitting all over everybody else's music, ok? Enjoy what you like, without trying to buzzkill everybody around you.
Also, I do end up hearing a good amount of "night time psy" of different varieties because of the parties that I frequent. I wasn't saying that the music itself wasn't complex. I'm saying that take night time psy from 2 years ago, and take a modern track today; and they sound very similar to one another. With Full-On, this is definitely not the case. As a DJ who plays full-on, I usually can't mix most "older" tracks with new tracks and have it come out smooth.
And to note, I actually enjoy dancing to Night Time Psy, as well as Full-On, Progressive, Chill-Out, and everything in between.
As I said, I think we should all be positive to one another, and let everybody enjoy the music that THEY love; instead of being so focused on hating on everybody else's music tastes. Wouldn't you agree? Or would you rather sit around and bash one another so we can further divide the scene?
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insane
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 08:16
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i understand wat ur sayin, but . then again comparing time span of 2 years.. there has been a difference , in sounds , ideas, variety .. imho. jusst that there are so many new releases , and so many new talents out there, ur forgettin the old timers, who are still makin tunes, and have changed their ideas/sounds etc.. and i talk abt them
in anycase, i love chill-out /ambient music , and wudnt say i hate full-on, just that most of it , feels weird, again, ive drifted from that musical side cause of certain elements which went missing years ago, id say i love gms- pitch black , and cosma - simplicity , and absolum-wild , 3d vision-inside , etc.. to name a few , that i still love listenin to. its hard to describe , wat elements im lookin for, its just a taste, similar to urs and anyone else..
yes, hating others music taste is not the problem, its just the cheesy factor ..which is hard to digest
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NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013 |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 11:11
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if you kill full on
Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake will start performing at festivals
if you kill full on
Barbara Streisand & Celine Dion will perform live at Boom Festival
if you kill full on here in the psyscene
it will go mainstream and you will have to watch Full On Idol on tv
so i suggest let full on be the way it
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kahn
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 12:16
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yes, hating others music taste is not the problem, its just the cheesy factor ..which is hard to digest
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But I would say that hating on other people's music tastes IS a problem. As so called "open minded" people; who are we to say that what one person calls "cheesy" fits some universal definition of the word? To be frank, I don't even think it has a consistent meaning here. Sometimes people use it in reference to melody; which in itself does not make music "cheesy" by my standards. Other times I hear people use it in reference to song strucutre, build ups, etc.. I guess to me "cheesy" would fit more with music with hideously "cheesy" voice clips and an overused bassline.
But I promise, that the diversity of Full-On that we currently have is just as (if not more) diverse as the "Night Time Psy" currently being made. You can't judge an entire sub-genre off of a couple unique experiences.
Anyway I think the "cheesy" label is overdone. I also think the "Psychedelic" label is overdone. Why you ask??? Because both of these words are going to have inconsistent meanings depending on who you are talking to. Therefore it's really a bad way to refer to music because it doesn't convey any point whatsoever. Maybe if the haters here actually spelled out what they didn't like specifically about a song; the argument would seem more coherent. From what I've heard around here, it seems like anything with melody, build ups, and drops automatically gains this "cheesy" label that people seem to love spewing out their asses all the time.
Get over it.
I also cannot believe that people here compare such music to "POP" music. Full-On is still by large a very underground genre compared even to most other forms of electronica. Mainstream Euro Trance, House, and Techno enjoy much more worldwide "fame" than Full-On. Yes, of course you get "commercial sounding" tracks in the bunch. And I can understand that you wouldn't like them; but that doesn't automatically damn a whole genre does it??? On a wider spectrum, electronic dance music as a whole is still considered underground music around the world. Only a few places really enjoy this stuff in the MAINSTREAM. And then that which does hit the mainstream is very limited and watered down. Even the stuff approaching mainstream is usually pop/hiphop/electro/house/techno hybrid music. Even the most famous and "MAINSTREAM" psy music like Astrix, or even Infected Mushroom is still widely unknown to 99% of the masses; and also unknown to the mass majority of Electronic Dance Music enthusiasts. So in other words, we're talking about a very small portion of people out of an already small portion of people who enjoy any type of electronic dance music. That by no means labels this music as mainstream. And this is why I think that it's stupid that people are sitting here comparing Full-On Psytrance to POP MUSIC. If this stuff was really that critically mainstream, I'm sure I would have no problem convincing promoters to book me at their parties right? As it turns out, I am tirelessly working to convince promoters that the music I play IS MAINSTREAM enough to be played alongside electro, house, and Euro Trance. But as it currently stands, even in these underground scenes ALL PSYTRANCE including Full-On is looked at as some underground side genre. So don't sit here pretending this stuff is "Pop music." Maybe some of it is in Israel; but definitely not in most places. With the wide variety of different types of music that gets played at Psy festivals; I'm sure there is more than one style that most people can say isn't there favorite. Yet not one of them seems to strike the most "hatred" as Full-On. I think it might just strike a nerve with a lot of people who do not want to see Psytrance ever go mainstream. The point here is that Full-On, while still definitely Psytrance does have the mainstream appeal to pull people in from other genres of electronic music and beyond. Yet I don't understand why spreading our movement and philosophy (to the willing of course... we're not missionaries after all hahaha) to more people is a bad thing. Shouldn't we be happy to see more people embracing this music?
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insane
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 13:52
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rite, well said,
but cheesey stuff although out here, many consider the one and only element in the flow of music and that is the ridiculous guitaring or copy paste stuff ...
i def wont refer to the original melodies , cause its form of music i respect..
anyways , why do u take the entire full-on genre to be so underground, when there are acts who are makin fool of emselves makin crappy music and minting money .personally i love few artists and will continue to listen to their stuff, but there are many out there who dont deserve respect for their rock star behaviour takin over their music ..
its this that pisses most people off.
full-on is good, but not all of it, just like u wud say , night time psy isnt progessing.. based on couple experiences 
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NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013 |
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aXis
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 20:20
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night psy is not progressing at all.
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insane
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 20:36
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^ talking abt 2 year span.. i wud totally disagree
and second, i want a clear example with this progression in full-on music. so i wud know wat kinda 'progression' ur lookin at.. ------------------------------
NEMESIS - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2007
PATTERNS EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2009
SEANCE - DEVILSMIND RECORDS - 2011
PATTERNS II EP - DEVILSMIND RECORDS _ 2013 |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 22:40
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With absolute statements like that there is never any comparison in the "logic".
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waveshapist
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Posted : Jun 8, 2009 05:53
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You see, in old Goa, there wasn't so much amphetamines and coke going around at parties. Instead there was a lot of psychedelic drugs, like acid and good weed, so people actually cared about the music they listened to.
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I love you! It is true. However, I prefer e to acid. But I like a psychedelic e trip.
Too many people just looking for meth and bodies.
The speed past light.. |
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mk47
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Posted : Jun 8, 2009 07:00
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some of the full on stuff is actually pretty good , not everything sounds like astrix and didrapest , if you dig a bit deeper , u`l find some real gems in just about any genre
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 8, 2009 11:36
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On 2009-06-08 07:00, mk47 wrote:
some of the full on stuff is actually pretty good , not everything sounds like astrix and didrapest , if you dig a bit deeper , u`l find some real gems in just about any genre
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I agree fully 
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aXis
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Posted : Jun 8, 2009 12:11
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ye but most new killlllarrghhhs are kill ha ha's , when u talk abt night psy.
Talk abt being repitive and sound same , Lol, night psy sounds like the same lfo runing over n over again ,and the typical 3/16 delay sync .
hey but u know wat , i dont care, cos as i see it , full on is getting the respect they deserve. So is night psy .  |
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aXis
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Posted : Jun 8, 2009 12:13
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1 note lfo sync arrangement wit breaks and horror samples from movies and pads from fear and loathing will not make music , not matter how much acid u feed urslf.
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 04:11
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On 2007-12-18 08:57, The Journey Man Project wrote:
Man,full on trance is the best! It is so not repetitive like that dark trance shit and proggi house crap!
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Fullon is totally repetitive. Most songs have only one lead sound and their melodies consist of only one part, no counterpart, and rarely even an octave shift.
Even half decent fullon tracks have me looking at my watch and hoping for a gameboy after 30 or some seconds.
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On 2007-12-18 08:57, The Journey Man Project wrote:
I thin that labels like Chemical Crew, HOMmega, Phonokol and YoYo/BNE are the best in this scene...
have you seen the talent they have? they dress in designer clothers, use top notch hair products, and only take the best cocaine, meth and XtC...
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wow... I listen to Psychedelic trance for this same reason! To see artists who are two steps away from being Sean P. Diddy Combs
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On 2007-12-18 08:57, The Journey Man Project wrote:
none of this hippie smelly dreadlock stuff that built this scene... they fucking suck, like Suntrip and all the dark psy labels... why would you want to listen to the stuff that sounds like real psychedellic music when you canhave FULL ON!!!
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Most fullon parties are full of PLUR loving, Ohm wearing pseudo hippies with designer
hair dresser dreadlocks.
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On 2007-12-18 08:57, The Journey Man Project wrote:
I evene heard that Timbaland and P. Diddy are getting together with Skazi to start a new sub genre of FULL ON call Gangsta On, and Snoop Dog is making a new porn series about it... Dog On Gangsta Style...
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DUUUUUUUDE!!! I realised now, your either totally full off shit, or making fun of everybody, hahaha. Good Joke man.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 05:13
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full on psycedelic trance is the best called music genre ever probably of all times.Heavy metal,hardcore,ambient (hardcore ambient would be funny btw lol) or maybe jungle are quite nice names also but full on psy is tha shit.
The cliche and the way ppl begin to categorize music or inventing new names for new expandsions are only gettin out of the sense.
Full on psy should always stay for sth revolutionary or sth always fresh or for mind expanding at least for me.Or for psyphreaks.
For me I dont like the thousands genres with names even like dark progressive,dark trance lol or morning trance etc Find it rather very amusing like some comments here or there.Some of them are very psycedelic not only dark btw.
I bet in ten years there are again new defenitions for the same psycedelia only under new names.Such a waste of time to think or struggle about that.
When its psycedelic you would probably want to be full on it.
But lookin on the music categorized under this subgenre during the last years I confess I find it very cheesy and unpsycedelic in the very most cases if not in all since Ima hardcore psycedelic for life who needs sth for the spirit and less for the ass
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cheers
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