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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 12:23
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Zomie is right and so are u D-nox, but still u r taking the turn to certain direction that misses one elemet only.. Psychedelia.
There is very little psychedelia in a track using percussion only or even mostly, definitely not a set of tracks like this. Since trance was and still tries to be psychedelic music, and THIS is what makes it underground ( otherwise u can listen to hip hop it is all there mate ). When I made some parties here in Israel me and my partner Yossi were desperately looking for 'Progressive Psy' DJ's and I must tell u that it wasn't an easy task - there is almost none of those left ( or ever been? ). Most of the progressing DJ's are no psychedelic at all, which leaves me here to enjoy their seamless mixing and amazing technique of super quality sounding trax.. but it is far more sounds as a whole MTV beach party than Psy music.
I really wish that u would add to Zombie's progressive theory the 'Stay Psychedelic' sign.. but instead I hear female voices singing MTV anthems 
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 12:38
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only one point - to be underground u dont need to be psychedelic. i know so many music styles that so small and underground but in no way psychedelic.
and voices mostly sing 80-th new wave thems:)
btw - about "underground". as about me so underground is about ppl living on anti-depression pills, make a crazy art and die young. i dont realy see todays "underground" artists this way. for example most of "psychedelic" and "underground" artists i met and meet looks more like weak mtv parodie.
come once to synthax/uzi, see end of 70-th vinyls, this is looks and sounds underground.
bad quality and lack of musicality not mean underground imo.
i agree with you Yuli on the "progressive djs less psy", its a true. well, i can speak about myself only, i dont like cheap cheez exctly like i dont like cheap psy.
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 12:52
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 @ nectarios - de man.
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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 13:06
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Zombie u r da man and I still have my chance to die young and proove my point since I am a little crazy already
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Kaz
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 13:11
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OK, about a definition of 'progressive'...
For me this is very simple - it is a description taken from the word 'progression', that is, the way the structure moves the track forward. A track can be progressive and full-on (Lish - Green Show), progressive and minimal (Shiva Chandra), progressive and psychedelic (Union Jack), progressive and whatever. It's just a description. Just like full-on can be minimal (Yumade, Krumelur), techtrance (older stuff by The Delta can fall into this category) and other stuff as well. The whole dividing-music-into-subgenres, is kinda wrong.
Underground is the things that are done against what most people think is proper. If it's just being suicidal, then yay, being a teenage goth is 'underground', not just 'not admitting you are so stupid that you pretend to be a depressed intellectual so you do not need to prove it'. Ohh, and there never was a thing as underground psytrance. Or underground techno. Actually, you need to listen to death metal to be 'underground' today. Just grow up guys, the world isn't that simple.
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Christian
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 13:14
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whats the definition of psychedelic???
btw where are the girls???
and the donna kebab - I feel love is a killa tune "I love it." kind of psychedelic or is`n it? |
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 13:15
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no, even dont speak this way Yuli.
u dont need proove nothing, u make a great music, u have a impressive live perfomance, and u will do it since u love it. no need no prooves here, blt is a prooved thing.
i realy understand you, good psychedelic expirience is strong and positive for a brain thing, there is no need prooves here also.
no need prooves also that good musical infuence on soul not less good for your global feeling.
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Trip-
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 18:45
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Yuli wrote:
There is very little psychedelia in a track using percussion only or even mostly, definitely not a set of tracks like this. Since trance was and still tries to be psychedelic music, and THIS is what makes it underground ( otherwise u can listen to hip hop it is all there mate ). When I made some parties here in Israel me and my partner Yossi were desperately looking for 'Progressive Psy' DJ's and I must tell u that it wasn't an easy task - there is almost none of those left ( or ever been? ). Most of the progressing DJ's are no psychedelic at all, which leaves me here to enjoy their seamless mixing and amazing technique of super quality sounding trax.. but it is far more sounds as a whole MTV beach party than Psy music. |
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That is totally what is REALLY sad in all this scene. That's why I call this club music (zombi relax).
100% agreed with Yuli here.
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 18:50
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On 2003-09-02 16:49, Christian wrote:
Why not listen to a techno track on a trance party and otherwise listen to a trance track on a techno party?
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if i only had one shekel for everytime i asked myself this question...
anyway christian when people say progressive they mean very specific kind of music, it became a genre name without any connection to the meaning of the word. there is also 'progressive house' which is very not music that in progress. so let ticon and such be 'progressive' and just leave the music u consider progressive without any name and definition, this way borders will stay open.
like 10 years ago it was all 'electronic music' so u could hear all kinds of it in the same party.
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Yuli
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 20:42
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Yo
Dont let me be misunderstood here.. I think that Depeche Mode - Exciter is much more psychedelic than 95% of our Psy trance.. The fact is, tho, that this scene for a very long time was infected with some familiar and ( still ) loved sounds like TB303 riffs a-la Hardfloor etc.. Most of the stream going to 'porogressive' realms, tries to forget and abandon the 303 roots and disregards them as 'noise' ( me too sometimes )
About Psychedelia - Nectarios u r right is all about personal feeling and the atmosphere in the music.. But u see - eventho everyone perceives differently, I still don't find much psychedelia in cold minimalistic set ( I do recognize the little intricate differences in percussion games, and see the subtle breakdowns and occasional stabs ) - it is just not enough to satisfy me for 3 hrs long. It is just too cold.. And maybe it is just the three times damn 4*4 beat and I should move to breakbeat 
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IntelabeaM
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 21:52
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well well ....to take it a long way back , yuli got me right , hehe, u know exctely what im talking about when i wrote thouse ward's ..but pout sub6 on the side i would add somthing for the idea of progresive wich is out side of oure small contrey ..we had the opretunety to be together in the butiful solaris festival in brazil and in the lust day ( the day that all the israeli geng left including u yuli ) play'd for the lust 8 hour's 2 dj's , progresive dj's in the normal lexicon , one of them was " true to nature) ...now i dont know the "progresive " tune's of thisa day's , i have to shamlesly admit, so for me , this guy who was playing low bpm music , slow divelpment sound's , and yes house tune's , that was for me the most psycodelic music i herd in a long time , and it has allway's been for me ...so this is a hall new discation ..what is progresive ? what is psycodelic i ask...to itch person it is somthing difrent i belive ..
and dear d-nox, i have to say , if u r in playing in party's that ppl come and ask u to play more progresive then u r lucky in my point of view ..in some plaises that i know ( for sure in israel) if u play "progresive" u r doom'd ...
now alot of ppl what be angry at me for saying that but if u'll be true to the way thing's realy r u'll have to agry with me ..
and one more small thing that i have to add..the music that we call progresive is what i belive is the music after the full on ..it has allway's been here and will allway's be , it's the music of the ppl that r fed up with the full on ..for me it was 3 or 4 year's ago when the full on of the time ( wich was goa trance i belive) was to much for me and after some year';s partying and listenign to that music i was looking for somthing ells , slower , more intelegent , asomthing that i can fly in to it easy and realy trip out ..now there r allway's new ppl coming in to the trance factory , so there will be allway's plais for the full on ans smaller plais for the ppl that still love the music but looking for difrent thing's now ...
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Posted : Sep 3, 2003 22:33
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Oooohhhh God...
Iīm usually a very nice guy but...
IF YOU DONīT LIKE PSYTRANCE ANYMORE JUST LEAVE ALREADY!!! Donīt rush to kill a music because you are fed up with it... Donīt try and bring the housy boooooooorrrrrrrrreeeeeeeedddddooooooommm to psy partys and push it down everybodys throat...
sorry...
Progressive is just a unfortunnate naming just like "The Modern Era"... There shouldnīt be a time that some say: Now we r moderns. As shouldnīt be a time that someone says: Now we are progressive. Itīs just disrespectfull with everything that came before you, that will come after you, or is just different from you! Itīs just a mega-ego-trip if you ask me!!!
Why not tecno on psy parties? Because pp went there and payed to listen to psymusic, if they wanted some tecno tracks or housy ones they wouldnīt hv driven 100kms to a psyparty, they would just be in the club next door!!!
I deeply respect all of you guys, but if you want something diferent, go and get it... I want my always evolving psychedelic eletronic music full of rthm and melody and fx and whatever else anyone find a way to put into it... I really love high bpms. Iīm dying to listen to that unrealesed Eskimo vs Dynamic 150bpm track Junyia talked about some time ago...
I love some low bpm music also but thereīs a place for it: the chillout! Itīs very sad to see A LOT OF PP bringing their energies down cause someone wanna be cool and play very low bpm tracks on the dance floor...
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