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Becktrank
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 18:26:25
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how do you start make a progression, like that on the zen mechanics track, hallucinogen generation at this album:
http://www.saikosounds.com/english/display_release.asp?id=8186
I mean, do you guys have the idea, the picture in mind, or just first create some random sounds and fx, and the then try to arrange it by trial-and-error until you get a nice progression with the sounds?
Or even before you stard synthetising the sounds you already have the big picture of what you whant to make, how do you want your progression to sound?
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 18:40
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I've been trying to focus on intentional progression a lot more lately. I think planning where you want things to progress to/from is important. You can achieve the final product by trial and error, but saying, "ok now, I'm gonna try to create this mood" helps imo. I've noticed a definite improvement in the overall sound of my tracks since I've been doing this with more intention.
I do a bit of making a sound to get to the progression as well as using previously made sounds to fit the progression. Instances where I'm using sounds that I made before I decided on a progression, I tend to compensate for any lack in the sound with movements in percussion.
A lot of progression deals with the constant build and release of tension in your track. Chord progression is a good way to do this, as is simply going up and down the scale with certain sounds. Don't forget to make changes to your bassline too (note position in the scale, note velocity, note length, etc).
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Becktrank
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 18:56
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yeah no doubt doing things intentionaly is better for the quality of the tune. Anyway i think the best way to learn to do things by intention is by trial and error experimenting. I want to learn how to make a progression like that one at zen mechanics track or the tron track, but intentionaly, i just love this type of stuff. Anyway what would you do, would u start with a simple pattern of two or three sounds/fx, and then goes on adding new sounds to the pattern, and making little changes in the positioning/effects, of the sounds here and there, also trade changing the sounds, so the same sound is not triggered every bar so the thing doesnt get repetive?
try to listen to this at zen`s track, or there are another one also at the tron track, the thing looks so damn complex. In my opnion this one of the things that made this genre so special.
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Ascension
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 19:50
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I think that no one should ever try to do something in a way that an artist/track they like did it- this is just me though  .
I would say try to find your own style of progression. You won't get the same sounding progression as zen mechanics or tron, because you are different producers. Take the time to learn a progression style that fits your style of music and reflects you as a person. I really think it will add a lot of uniqueness to your sound to have things completely your own. This is how good artists develop THEIR own sound.
I asked Robert Rich how he keeps making unique music. He told me that the only way to make sure you are creating unique music is to create music that is true to yourself.
Sorry if this sounds preachy in any way, but it's how I feel and how I really think other people should view production.
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Sheil
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 20:35
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My biggest problem. when it comes to the progression, i'm stuck in an eternal case of writer's block. The problem is i'm my own worst critic, even before the groove is complete, i start asking myself if it sounds similar to anything else i've heard before and cut it off very often. i wonder how the likes of raja ram / simon posford keep their stuff so darn unique. everytime's a different progression. even Evan Bluetech for that matter. I think it takes time, research and heart. (Peachy as it may sound). hehe.. but really, this is one aspect that probably differenciates those who got it and those who dont.. (also with reference to the 'can everybody produce' thread.
besides, buidling on the track and relying upon chance and randomnity is one way, but somehow it doesn't satisfy. i feel i should be able to translate what's in my head onto the track. and i just cant do it as of now. i keep losing track. any suggestions?
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Becktrank
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 22:06
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On 2009-10-23 19:50, Ascension wrote:
I think that no one should ever try to do something in a way that an artist/track they like did it- this is just me though .
I would say try to find your own style of progression. You won't get the same sounding progression as zen mechanics or tron, because you are different producers. Take the time to learn a progression style that fits your style of music and reflects you as a person. I really think it will add a lot of uniqueness to your sound to have things completely your own. This is how good artists develop THEIR own sound.
I asked Robert Rich how he keeps making unique music. He told me that the only way to make sure you are creating unique music is to create music that is true to yourself.
Sorry if this sounds preachy in any way, but it's how I feel and how I really think other people should view production.
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Bro i agree with u. I m not trying to copy zen or tron. I just pick them to use as example of a nice progression. I just want to know workflow of others here. My problem is that when i try to make a progression i always start again cause i feel that what i have is really a bunch of random sounds playing together, but if you listen to these two examples in this album, the progression, it looks like a bunch of random sounds playing together, but, it has flow, the sounds combine and fit each other, like they have a direction. as i said before imo is a trademark of psy
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On 2009-10-23 20:35, Sheil wrote:
My biggest problem. when it comes to the progression, i'm stuck in an eternal case of writer's block. The problem is i'm my own worst critic, even before the groove is complete, i start asking myself if it sounds similar to anything else i've heard before and cut it off very often. i wonder how the likes of raja ram / simon posford keep their stuff so darn unique. everytime's a different progression. even Evan Bluetech for that matter. I think it takes time, research and heart. (Peachy as it may sound). hehe.. but really, this is one aspect that probably differenciates those who got it and those who dont.. (also with reference to the 'can everybody produce' thread.
besides, buidling on the track and relying upon chance and randomnity is one way, but somehow it doesn't satisfy. i feel i should be able to translate what's in my head onto the track. and i just cant do it as of now. i keep losing track. any suggestions?
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I feel the same. But i think one just will be able to translate whats in your head, to the computer, with precision, when YOU KNOW WHAT U DOING. And two know what you are doing, just with a lot of training and experience that comes with practice, so my suggestion to me and you is continue practicing. ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``
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Sheil
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Posted : Oct 23, 2009 22:33
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@becktrank
Simple and straightforward. I needed someone to flash it into my working memory. Thank you. Also my issue with giving up. Sigh
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Djones
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Posted : Oct 24, 2009 05:37
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Analyze it.
It isn't that complex really.
It's rather the type of sounds which fit together and make the whole thing evolve.
I'm having dificulties making big energizing sounds to give my tracks that uplifting feeling.
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