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Boobytrip
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 10:17
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Hi peepz,
How do you make the melodies and chord-schemes for a track ? Do you play it and record it or program it ? |
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Trip-
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 10:25
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both ways... just both
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 11:19
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I used to only play everything, even down to hi-hats and stuff, and thought that was neccessary to get real feeling for the dance.
Nowadays I sometimes use the keyboard to check some harmonies quickly, but actually very rarely.
To make leads i find keyboards quite limiting.
A synth is anyway a far to expressive instument to be played like a piano or organ. Manytimes it's not about the actual note, but how you sweep parameters or slide and that kind of stuff is best done by programming for me anyway.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 12:58
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for lines and harmonies I prefer play it on the keyboard and then I make adjustments in the sequencers.
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 13:53
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Spin,
I find this really interesting! How do you explore writing a lead then? Do you make a loop w/midi and then twist the parameters as it plays, recording w/automation the sounds that you like?
I had always assumed a keyboard was required... wow. 
Btw a mutual friend, Moty (psygoatdelic) recommended your tunes to me - great stuff! Please keep up the good work.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 14:44
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10x glad you liked them
As to how i write leads it varies. Latley I use the excellent stepsequencers in the pulsar modular synth a lot.
I love to be able to set up a row of contoller sequencers with slide between values and play around assigning them to different parameters.
When i program in logic i sometimes stick in some notes in the matrix editor and then draw some pitch and controller data with hyper draw.
Some times i just put a longish note and start to modulate that, again with drawn controllers, and then go on like that to create a few bars.
Some knobs if find very nice to have for more long tweaks to follow the arrangement.
If you don't really know harmonics then I think the keyboard is handy to explore the harmonic possibilities and get to know some usefull scales.
But even if the aim is to write massive evolving melodic leads, the way I would go about it is to roughly scetch the melody on the keyboard and then go on to stick the notes in an editor.
I guess it's like that for me because i have some knowledge about music theory, but is not really a keyboard player, so I could never express what i can imagine with my fingers.
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UIU
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Posted : Oct 26, 2004 14:55
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On 2004-10-26 14:44, Spindrift wrote:
But even if the aim is to write massive evolving melodic leads, the way I would go about it is to roughly scetch the melody on the keyboard and then go on to stick the notes in an editor.
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That's how I do it as well. Start simple and make it more complex. Unless you can play rachmaninof, you cannot play really fast leads. Another way to do it is layer the notes. Play something, record it. Then play what you have recorded and play something on top of it. And so on. I usually play pads from my keyboard, it's much more fun. The good thing with the midi editor is that most of the times you make mistakes and those mistakes are a lot of times better than what you were trying to do. |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 10:54
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well wat i do is , take the pencil , draw some notes in the piano roll and viola !! i have a lead !
dunno how this works ... but i manage it every time 
respect ... boom ! |
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 15:21
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I'm with GTN
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 15:28
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 21:18
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i.m.o. most ppl fuck things up when they start thinking doing too much !
just do it ! -- nike
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 27, 2004 23:44
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Actually I usually have something in my mind before I write it. I just don't bother playing it first. Directly to the piano roll.
I do play the keyboard though sometimes, but usually to find chord progressions and stuff like that, not really to make up melodies.
I usually can't even play what I write. I'm a sucky pianist
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mubali
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 01:45
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I hear ya there Mike... I suck when it comes to using the keyboard. I occasionally use the keyboard for pads or sound where it doesn't always matter what note that you are hitting. But most of the time if I play it on the keyboard, I have to quantize it anyway.
For my leads, I pencil it in always. I can't play 32nd notes by hand, and half the time that I am writing my leads, I have no clue how it is going to sound.
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Hayez
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 01:57
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I don't even have a keyboard, just a bunch of midi controllers. keyboards are like been there did that sort of thing. I like what Spindrift said. To me the sound is more important then the note it's playing. If I realy have to use a keyboard, I'll use an on screen one and play it with the computer keyboard. It sound a bit carzy, but the absence of a keyboard gets you to do things in a diffrent ways, some of them will lead you to intresting things.
"a new art came into my mind which only you can create, the Art of Noises, the logical consequence of your marvelous innovations." Russolo, 1913 |
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Chemical Reaction
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 06:05
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Good question, when I started out I did not have a midi controller and then later I got one and it didnt change things for me that much. I use the controller mostly to audition sounds and record basic sequences but I mostly program in the sequencer. I have to say I am all about computer programming. I would have to think that most electronic musicians are not piano players. Boom and respect to all psy artists.
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