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DJ_Chorman
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 18:28
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Hey all,
I am rethinking my programming of my drums.
I was doing them by midi using battery2 but maybe it is simpler to just place them in audio tracks.... might save memory.
What do you guys think?
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e-fact
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 18:43
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Well, I like to process all my drums on Intakt which I believe that can do the same thing as Battery, you can automate pitch, velocity, pan and volume of you percurssion with those programs, it gives your drums a more realistic feeling, and it's much better using midi for those kind of automation.
After all you can bounce the whole material to stereo audio tracks for final adjustments. Its good to separate the instruments, like snare in one track, hihat in another... so you can play editing some parts to give some movement to the mix. |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 18:51
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Playing them back from EXS 24 or AKAI S1100. When I have a rough pattern, I record individual hits through outboard compressors as audio. Recently I find my self droping audio hits straight into the arrangement though.
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diskonekt
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Posted : Feb 16, 2006 20:05
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I write hihats and percussion in midi , crash like sounds and some reversed stuff in audio.
Later everything is exported in audio for offline process
e.g. reversing a loop for a while or applying effects for a few bars ..that kind of stuff
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sideFXed
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Posted : Feb 17, 2006 04:38
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try fxpansion guru 
it's a pattern sequenzer, wrapped up as a vst sampler.
very nice editing functionalities, groove function, auto slicing of loops, scene editor (ideal for live jamming)
check out the demo.
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jivamukti
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Posted : Feb 19, 2006 19:36
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MIDI and MIDI automation give you freedom to go wherever you want with your drums & percussion and so I prefer that way. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 19, 2006 23:24
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I used to think that MIDI is best for percs, until I tried audio. Never changed back since.
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NikC
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 01:30
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On 2006-02-19 23:24, Mike A wrote:
I used to think that MIDI is best for percs, until I tried audio. Never changed back since.
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Same here
All my percussion is in audio now... just works best for me (and obviously for Mr. Mike A too )
Audio actually allows you to go further with your percussion than midi and automation - as it allows you infinite scope for offline processing as well as standard triggering (and non-standard triggering)...
It's up to the producer though - whichever way works best for them
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 01:36
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I just started using SX & i'm using audio for percussion as well.. i find it more convenient than midi coz you see everything visually, its easy to group things together & like NikC said you can use offline processing..i thought it wasn't the norm glad to know other people do it that way too!
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squ1d
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 04:40
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On 2006-02-20 01:30, NikC wrote:
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On 2006-02-19 23:24, Mike A wrote:
I used to think that MIDI is best for percs, until I tried audio. Never changed back since.
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Same here
All my percussion is in audio now... just works best for me (and obviously for Mr. Mike A too )
Audio actually allows you to go further with your percussion than midi and automation - as it allows you infinite scope for offline processing as well as standard triggering (and non-standard triggering)...
It's up to the producer though - whichever way works best for them
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But isnt it better to work in midi to create patterns easily, and then if you want to offline process any drum-loop you can just bounce the small loop and process it?
To me its easier to work like this. |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Feb 20, 2006 07:57
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Audio for percussion is key.... each element requires different eq and compression and using a general midi channel in ur sequencer just doesnt hack it.... i use idrum to knock out a pattern.. then bounce each element (fast hats, open hats, snaresetc) individually and stack them in individual audio channesls... i stay far away from midi for percussion, all audio for me!! |
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jivamukti
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 19:58
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On 2006-02-20 07:57, Raoul V wrote:
Audio for percussion is key.... each element requires different eq and compression and using a general midi channel in ur sequencer just doesnt hack it....
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You can use the sampler's multiple outputs and internal effects. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 23:11
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On 2006-02-24 19:58, jivamukti wrote:
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On 2006-02-20 07:57, Raoul V wrote:
Audio for percussion is key.... each element requires different eq and compression and using a general midi channel in ur sequencer just doesnt hack it....
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You can use the sampler's multiple outputs and internal effects.
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Exactly...
Or else how do you think would we all mix our percussion? going through one channel... claiming that this is the reason to use audio channels is rather disimformative mate.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Raoul V
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Posted : Feb 25, 2006 14:12
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My bad...
i find it easier in logic to hammer out a pattern in idrum and then individually eq and effect each layer and then group them, its the same thing i guess, its how u work it and what ur comfortable with... i find that doing this causes less load on cpu...
its easier to cut up samples u have made in your percussion when bounced to audio, and play with thim within logic's audio editer.. the key is you have the patterns muted in midi incase u want to change something later...
i guess it has to do with idrum that i use, its makes it really easy to bounce everything to audio from within the idrum sequencer..
sorry if u find this disinformative, but its what works for me!! |
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deke
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 21:47
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I've found that midi sequencing is worth it if you find a decent instrument to to define your percussion, I've been really happy with battery's flexibility as far as channels, key-range settings, and effects. To do anything more complex, you can always throw your sample in as audio to go along side your midi tracks.
Midi sequencing also seems to open up for more inserts and live-controlling in your percussion. |
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