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program change in ableton 9

Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 29, 2013 17:09:42
Hey!

Do anyone try to make an automation of program change (program list) in Massive? I know that i did it long time ago but now i can't. i am totally confused right now

any advice?
please help!
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supergroover
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Posted : Mar 29, 2013 17:35
Why do you want to make a program change. Can't you just load another instance of massive?
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snowdogg
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Posted : Mar 29, 2013 21:53
i didnt know preset scrolling could be done with automation in any plugin
Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 03:30
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On 2013-03-29 17:35, supergroover wrote:
Why do you want to make a program change. Can't you just load another instance of massive?





because 1 Massive with 16 different programs will not hurt my cpu like 16 different instances           http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 03:33
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On 2013-03-29 21:53, snowdogg wrote:
i didnt know preset scrolling could be done with automation in any plugin



it is possible and its very easy. its called 'program change'. its same like any other midi cc automation
its easy to make it in cubase but dont know how to do this in Live           http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
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Agorit


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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 05:02
if it is an automatable parameter just clicks and it automatically appears the automation line. If that does not happen, click "Configure" and then use the parameter to be automated. It will appear.
I think I might have a solution. Among the Massive in program list select presets that you want, and make sure that a button "On / oFF" beside "PC Program" is enabled.
Then create a midi clip and select in Program (below bank and subbank) 1 preset for the first preset, 2 for second and so on ...
Now each clip activate a preset. It's an interesting technique.
I hope this help.
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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 05:06
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On 2013-03-30 03:33, Alien Bug wrote:
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On 2013-03-29 21:53, snowdogg wrote:
i didnt know preset scrolling could be done with automation in any plugin



it is possible and its very easy. its called 'program change'. its same like any other midi cc automation
its easy to make it in cubase but dont know how to do this in Live




Its program change is in cubase?
Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 13:11
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On 2013-03-30 05:06, Agorit wrote:
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On 2013-03-30 03:33, Alien Bug wrote:
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On 2013-03-29 21:53, snowdogg wrote:
i didnt know preset scrolling could be done with automation in any plugin



it is possible and its very easy. its called 'program change'. its same like any other midi cc automation
its easy to make it in cubase but dont know how to do this in Live




Its program change is in cubase?




sure in midi clip, where is velocity, you can chose any other midi parameter. program change is on default list

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Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 13:17
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On 2013-03-30 05:02, Agorit wrote:
I think I might have a solution. Among the Massive in program list select presets that you want, and make sure that a button "On / oFF" beside "PC Program" is enabled.
Then create a midi clip and select in Program (below bank and subbank) 1 preset for the first preset, 2 for second and so on ...
Now each clip activate a preset. It's an interesting technique.
I hope this help.




yeah! it helps! thank you

btw automation doesnt work in this case. after record program changes by mouse click, i get volume automation
i think that Live 9 use different way to work with program changes than other daws. its not possible to make automation curve
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 15:51
yeh no curves....which annoying.maybe willsanquil can help,seems to kno a fair amount bout abl9
Agorit


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Posted : Mar 30, 2013 21:21
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On 2013-03-30 13:17, Alien Bug wrote:
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On 2013-03-30 05:02, Agorit wrote:
I think I might have a solution. Among the Massive in program list select presets that you want, and make sure that a button "On / oFF" beside "PC Program" is enabled.
Then create a midi clip and select in Program (below bank and subbank) 1 preset for the first preset, 2 for second and so on ...
Now each clip activate a preset. It's an interesting technique.
I hope this help.




yeah! it helps! thank you

btw automation doesnt work in this case. after record program changes by mouse click, i get volume automation
i think that Live 9 use different way to work with program changes than other daws. its not possible to make automation curve




you're welcome
Ableton does not recognize program change in automations. But this kind of change i cannot see a smooth transition to one preset for other. If you want to change the preset in the middle of midi notes, u can use dummy clips to do that. and now your automations is your clips.
Its work.
cheers



PSeuDoNyM
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Posted : Mar 31, 2013 04:39


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you're welcome
Ableton does not recognize program change in automations. But this kind of change i cannot see a smooth transition to one preset for other. If you want to change the preset in the middle of midi notes, u can use dummy clips to do that. and now your automations is your clips.
Its work.
cheers
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What? really.. But program change is part of midi.. You should be able to add it to any midi clip and as many times thru said clip as you like....
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Mar 31, 2013 04:57
you can choose program change in midi clip, but not in automation/events section. i think that its just mistake from Ableton programmers and they will fix it. maybe...

i cant do program change automation in any of my vsti but method presented by Agorit works. i just need to make a lot of small midi clips (now i work on nu skool breakz/complextro music)           http://www.beatport.com/release/cross-the-atoms/1042450
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