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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 12:22:38
Hi there, listen to this:
(ES: From 0.50)
I am getting mad figuring how to achieve a bassline like this one, i've tried a lot of different sets but I always miss something.
I've managed to get some good sounding full on basslines, but if i try with something like that my kick and bass seems really "disconnected" and not punchy at all.
I don't know if i'm asking something that's trivial, but for me it isn't and i would really appreciate your help.
makus
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 12:35
what exactly can't you achieve? this is a baisc sawtooth bassline with lp filter. glueing kick and bass together is about honest monitoring and good acoustic treatment, so you can hear exactly what you are doing. plus experience. nothing special there.
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kylistar
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 14:01
this is just a normal kbkbkbkb bass? is it the colour of the bass u mean or what?
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 14:33
klippel
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 15:09
offbeat bass lives with the timing of the envelopes or in general the bass sound.
get the sound right on your synth, eq to fit the kick sound. then move your midi forward in time in your sequencer. deactivate snap on grid and move it just sliiiiightly along the time axis until it fits the groove you want to achieve.. groove is all in the timing most of the time (if the rest is right). of course this hast to do with how fast you filter opens on the bass therefore just make the bass sound and move afterwards to taste. play with moving it in both time directions to find out about timing and their meaning for "groove"
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 15:11
one thing more: post a freakin sample of what you came up with to get more accurate help mate as people will then know what you are doing wrong instead of guessing stuff http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel "I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons
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Posted : Jan 18, 2012 15:31
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Posted : Jan 19, 2012 18:37
This is a sample of what i'm doing, you could clearly perceive the bass note as separated from the kick, it is just a matter of kick sound and compression/mixing or i am missing something else?
PS:
it looks like soundcloud apply some sort of compression or sth like that cause the sample sound quite different from it's wave source (with some artifacts).
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Posted : Jan 19, 2012 19:41
if you're going to use the offbeat bassline you can afford to have your kick be longer....
It sounds decent on my laptop speakers ,but looking at the waveform IMO the kick is too short
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Posted : Jan 20, 2012 00:16
i agree with willsanquil, i think you need longer kick and maybe a longer bass note too, then sidechain them i guss. good luck
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Posted : Jan 20, 2012 08:02
a longer kick could help, yes. but if you are after that neelix sound and listen to it closely it is a short kick (technoish sounding) and a longer bass note. also notice that the bass has more timbre to it, more harmonics, longer open filters. with offbeat you can for for just the body moving umpa feeling with deep sounding kick and deep bass and not so open filters, or like neelix for glueing a bright sounding kick you need also brighter and longer sustained bass notes.. its a matter of making the whole beat glue and fit each others character to make them compliment each other!
- increase bass note to longer sustain/decay whatever sounds good
- play with the timing of the bass as said before
good luck http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel "I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons
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Posted : Jan 20, 2012 16:22
I think this works in Neelix case cus the song is quite fast for progressive. If you are in slower bpm range and youre meaking offbeat bass youll need to make kick longer to get that progressive pulse otherwise with kick lenght of one beat youll end with too choppy kicknbass sequence which can sound funky but cannot sustain the groove and bouncy feeling through the whole song. I mean there is a way probably with some bass tricks as klippel said but for standard prog feeling you need longer kicks...
