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dindindon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 12:08:16
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hello...i have problems with the arrangement of the tracks..lets talk about it..how you arrange your tracks..?the arrangements is the most important thing becuase without good arrangement the track fill weak..
help me with that please  |
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 12:19
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actually the arrangement is the track - it's an analogue.
You started the thread without talking about your arrangement problems, something I'm afraid you'll have to do first.
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dindindon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 13:08
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i mean i want to improve my arrangement skills..make the tracks intresting and powerfull...if the arrangement is not good the track sound weak and boring.. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 14:53
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It's good you want to improve.
Luckily for you, the arrangement is out there for you in each track that you hear. The most basic thing would be to listen carefully to any track its arrangement you prefer. Try and recognize the "parts" the track is divided into. More interesting, something I do sometimes, is to listen to a track you haven't heard before and really expect what's going to come, from a technical point of view of the arrangement. Sometimes you will go: "this is so expected, I don't like that", other times you'll be: "how did he think to go that direction? good successful decision".
But most of the times, I'm afraid, the arrangement comes as you go with your imagination. You listen to the whole thing from the top, you get to the last part, and you decide what should go next.
Honestly, in psytrance, the arrangements are not that complex - and most of the interest goes into things like mix, certain sound, certain melody/harmony. Arrangements in psytrance music are kind of expected... Don't want to diss any producers here, but I'm sure most of you will agree.
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Uedi
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 15:35
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 18:33
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Frankly, I am a bit confused about the term itself.
My friend is a professional arranger. He would take a piano piece and make an orchestra piece out of it. Or take a folk song and make a pop song. Or take a well-known hit and reverse-engineer it, figure out what instruments play what parts (absolute hearing and two degrees in music help, I bet ). Then he'd go to Sonar, load those instruments and re-write the whole thing until it's exactly the original minus vocals. Super-fancy karaoke for singers.
Anyway, his explanation was that arrangement is about giving the right parts to the right instruments. So, on a piano roll it would be about what's going on vertically. Composition (which he also does professionaly) is about the structure and flow of the tune in time. So, in a DAW it's about what's going on horizontally.
Now, both on this forum and in many tutorial videos I see people saying "arrangement", while they actually mean "composition", and the other way around.
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Uedi
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 19:02
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yes... it can be a bit confusing :-/
I guess that arrangements and composition concepts fuse into one!
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 19:09
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Well, when Simon rants that he did not like the arrangement - he means that the Idol's contestant should have gone with bagpipes instead of trumpents. Or that he should not have made a blue-grass bit out of an RnB song. That's more about what instruments play what parts - not about the structure or main melody of the song.
Like using a singing-angels pad instead of psy-zipper lead would be about arrangement. Inserting a 2-minute break in the middle of the track and stretching your arms in the air - that's about composition. |
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dindindon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 21:49
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thank you guys for helping
TRIP, thank you for the advice i will learn from it |
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Psydust
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Posted : Apr 25, 2010 17:23
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term is conceptual and cannot be taught easily.
The best way would be is to copy a record that you like in a separate channel and try to imitate it in terms of structure. |
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