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Producing and mixing with limiter on master-channel
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Upavas
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 09:57
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I do it mostly to avoid any surprise peaks actually.
When you're making music there are always those sudden volume changes... This takes care of it.
When I'm working on the mix I turn it off obviously.
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makus
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 12:32
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do not use any limiters at all for music, only for tv advertising where everything clips and roars as hell hehe
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Posted : Oct 17, 2007 15:26
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-1 or -2 dB treshold limiter (hard knee) before master compressor can be VERY helpful if track has short transient peaks since it will actually reduce the compression and preserve dynamic range of the mix. I usually end up with 1 or 2 dB limiting (brickwall with auto-gain disabled). In fact I lower the treshold so far as it doesn't change the subjective loudness of the track. Histograms and analyzers help a lot at this point. After such limiting I found that master compression can be more effective and less obvious (no pumping effect).
Except for this treatment I use limiter only for preproduction of drums (kick drum mostly) and sometimes for fat, dirty and distorted bass lines. When I think of it... I use limiter more often as an effect that as a dynamic correction tool.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 01:12
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On 2007-10-17 15:26, shamantrixx wrote:
-1 or -2 dB treshold limiter (hard knee) before master compressor can be VERY helpful if track has short transient peaks since it will actually reduce the compression and preserve dynamic range of the mix. I usually end up with 1 or 2 dB limiting (brickwall with auto-gain disabled). In fact I lower the treshold so far as it doesn't change the subjective loudness of the track. Histograms and analyzers help a lot at this point. After such limiting I found that master compression can be more effective and less obvious (no pumping effect).
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You could also set your compressor detection mode to RMS instead of peak. (Assuming the compressor you use supports this).
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 02:11
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On 2007-10-16 19:10, AvS wrote:
Mixing with a compressor on the 2 buss (the whole mix) i quite normal. Many pros do this. Don't know about using a limiter though.
I never do it myself. I'd like the get the energy in my track without the use of a compressor/limiter.
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I use a complete mastering hardware rack including noise filter & gate , multiband compressor, stereo & multiband enhancer, spectrum analizer, on the monitor output of my mixer. I have some very good presets on those compresors which I tested them on hunderts of tracks.
I have a bypass knob which allows me to turn the rack On and Off when I work on the track so I can see the difference of how the track sound now and how aproximately will sounds after mastering process. This also helps me to bring all my track on the same volume & dynamics.
I use also 2 different types of monitors and also some big club speakers, and i have a switch from where I can control them. This also helps me a lot to see how the track will sound on different types of speakers.
After the track is ready i render it without any effects.
Every producer have his own style of work. There is no single or perfect rule about this !
Choose what u think it helps you better !
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Oct 18, 2007 02:30
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On 2007-10-18 01:12, UnderTow wrote:
You could also set your compressor detection mode to RMS instead of peak. (Assuming the compressor you use supports this).
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Thanx for the tip. I'll try that on first occasion. If you're right than it will make my life a bit simpler 
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 16:04
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its one of my worst habits, and i try to stay away from it as much as possible, but sometimes when a track is in full process i put on he multibands... just can't resist working with some more juice sometimes
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UnderTow
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 17:49
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On 2007-10-17 02:53, Colin OOOD wrote:
Do you also provide un-processed mixes for releases?
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Oh I missed your question hiding at the bottom of the page.  Sure, if it gets mastered by someone else, an unprocessed mix will be provided with an option for the first compressor in the chain being on or off as that is part of the mix sound. It depends what the mastering engineer wants and/or has as tools.
I should clarify that part of the reason why I work with all the processing on the stereo bus is because I work that way all day long when mixing stuff for TV. In TV land there is no time to do processing after the fact. Once mixed that is what gets sent to the TV stations. Working like this 8+ hours a day you get used to the work flow and learn what does and doesn't work. You also get to learn what happens with your mix when there is subsequent processing in the TV station broadcast chains. (And you learn to hate Orban and co for their broacast processing :/ ).
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 20:26
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UnderTow
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Posted : Oct 19, 2007 21:32
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Actually no, it would be quite a bit softer. So although you know that things will sound even flatter and more smashed on-air, you still have to deliver the levels or the station (and the audience) will complain. Not least because of the level difference when the commercials start.
When mixing for TV you have to take a few things into account: The type of show it is. (A drama serie, a documentary, an advert, a next top model type show etc). The intended audience (For instance shows for old people will be made brighter or the audience will complain that they can't hear what is being said...) and the particular processing each station has. This last one is always a bit of trial and error until you get to know what things will sound like on-air...
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Upavas
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Posted : Oct 20, 2007 00:47
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Then there is the fact that each different tv station has their own db limit. Here in Canada it is -27db for most stations, some are -8 in europe, others -31... All has to be taken into account when laying the mix back to stereo or LCRS from 5.1 ... by those monolopians called Dolby...
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Upavas
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Posted : Oct 20, 2007 00:50
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As to the shows for old people, instead of making the mix brighter, try to take less than 3 db off the center channel when you lay the mix back to stereo, it clips sometimes, however, that said... sometimes you do get away with it. It makes the dia much more audible.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Oct 20, 2007 13:36
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99.9% of stuff is mixed in stereo. There is no centre channel... Also, it still needs to be brighter for older people regardless. (Although I think that dutch TV is very bright in general. At least when I compare to stuff like the BBC).
The norm is -27 dB in Canada? Is that the dialogue (RMS) levels or program peak? (All TV stations are -9 dB peak in NL).
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