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billy ambulance
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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 00:39
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take a few hours to create 1 killer kick,
work hard to achive the kick you always wanted..
expirament with different kinds of setting and export if you got something good.
now you can eq again a bit softly to make the perfect sound.
compare with kicks from other tracks, listen to charcuristicts youll like and try to make them in your own kick.
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ucc
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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 00:25
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On 2005-10-16 02:56, e-motion wrote:
thanks.
just one comment, that thing many people say that there are no rules here, and to do what sounds good... sounds right doesn't mean done right. tracks can be good if they sound right but production quality is only achieved by doing right.
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i wonder if you apply this on your synth programmings
i ask myself wich synths are you using and your tweaks. |
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 06:22
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On 2005-10-16 02:56, e-motion wrote:
just one comment, that thing many people say that there are no rules here, and to do what sounds good... sounds right doesn't mean done right. tracks can be good if they sound right but production quality is only achieved by doing right.
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U miss the point that if it sounds right it is right! If u do the same thing in another way u think it is 'more right' but it still sounds right where is the point?
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 06:31
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About processing the kick.
First as said often here is important to have a good basic kick to start with. Here u should pay lot of attention to its pitch envelope if u do it by ur self with sound forge (IMO best way to make good kicks). By using the right envelopes (yes u need more then one) u will get a good kick. Cut it to the length u need, it is important to make them short enough (1/16) to get no overlaping with the bass.
Now u got all the possibilities of sound design 
Start with eq to cut all ultra low frequencies, u don't need them. Maybe compress ur kick with a bit or much as u like it and try enhancers/exciters like maxxbass (there are also others nice).
Finally it is important to edit ur kick in context with ur bassline. So best is to edit and eq it while playing together with ur bassline and also with the rest of ur sounds.
Peace
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 10:08
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Ghee, thank you But it's true: i think it's often faster an better sounding if you just select the right kick when you start, and tweak your bass-patch to match. Or make a bass-sound you like and select the kick to fit. Eq on a bass-line most of the time ruins your sound, but an eq-dip in your kick at the fundamental frequency of the bass sometimes helps
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damage
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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 23:15
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On 2005-10-15 14:14, e-motion wrote:
i recently talked to a professional producer (he produces techno), that gives classes on a music production course here. he said to me never to use a L2 in any channel except for mastering. well i use it on kick. i wonder how professionals process their kicks. i'm using a soundforge sine kick... my idea is an equalizer, then a compressor (should i use multiband?).
it's that i have a lots of inserts in my kick and altough it "sounds nice" it is too wet... and i'm almost sure it won't sound good on a PA...
please no, "use your ears" replys. you need basis before you use your ears... and i don't have monitors.
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you could ask your friend the reasons why he made that statement? it would be interesting to know why only on master. |
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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 23:34
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i guess cause he had music classes (that's how he learned to teach now) and all he does is following rules... he said it's made for maximizing a mix never for an instrument. we had a big argue... everybody gave him reason because he's the one giving classes... during the argue he asked me to explain how a compressor works... i said a 2:1 ratio means for each 2db above the thresold only 1db increases... he said it was for each 2db -> 1db cut... which is stupid cause like that a 1:1 ratio would be a limiter. anyway i don't care... i've learned two things... one is:
i'll follow him and use a strong compressor instead of a L2...
the second is: never atend music production schools  |
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ucc
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 00:15
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On 2005-10-18 23:34, e-motion wrote:
i said a 2:1 ratio means for each 2db above the thresold only 1db increases... he said it was for each 2db -> 1db cut...
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ermm... what am i missing?
aren't you both saying exactly the same thing? |
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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 00:27
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ok but imagine that with a different ratio... that was what he was saying... that the second number was how much it cuts... which is not it's how much it increases (or am i wrong)... if it was like he says a 1:1 compressor would be a limiter.
i chose a bad example  i didn't remember the ratio he said at that time anyway thats not the point here i know how a compressor works... i'm just saying how bad a TEACHER can be. |
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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 00:33
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another thing he said was that a kick has no high frequencys... i said a techno may have not but a trance can have... he said it's not about style it's about music... rules rules rules... and trance kicks have highs !
what i'm saying here... is that we have rules we have to follow but production is not maths... break the rules ! ... gently
anyway here's (new) my way:
- Eqium: hi-pass at 40hz, notch at 16hz (cause the tail leaves some frequencys below 20hz that need to be cut), slight low-pass (depends on the kick and what you want from the kick).
- Waves MaxxBass: i don't have it but as soon as i get it i'm sure i'll use it 
- Ultrafunk Compressor: low knee (aka hard knee in other compressors), hi ratio (from 5:1 to 20:1 depends...), threshold slightly lower than kick level (you can also lower the ratio and lower the threshold... just play), fast attack (start with the minimum and increase slowly till you reach the "perfect" spot), slow release (200-300... something like that)... don't compress it too much ! (the perfect would be no compression but i can't make perfect kicks in soundforge). and really important to tweak the compressor while AND while not playing the bassline.
- Voxengo GlissEQ: to remove the compression side-effects (if any).
and most important for a good kick... a good bassline. and don't forget... a fat kick asks for a fat bassline and a weak bassline asks for a weak kick so think again before making that sound fat... maybe it's the other that's too fat.
hope i can help someone here... at least this were my thoughts in the past days. and i think they were good. |
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Shilayeh
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 02:29
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On 2005-10-19 00:27, e-motion wrote:
ok but imagine that with a different ratio... that was what he was saying... that the second number was how much it cuts... which is not it's how much it increases (or am i wrong)... if it was like he says a 1:1 compressor would be a limiter.
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2:1-4:1 is a compressor - everything over 8:1 is limiting - and if the 2nd number is higher like 1:2 or 1:4... its an expander -and if it cuts or boosts your signal depends on what you use-an upword or downward expander _correct me if im wrong
one constant in life is change *_~ |
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ucc
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 03:31
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Stranger_GR
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 16:49
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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 20:57
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i make psy only. he said it was a musical thing not by style... i guess he is wrong... but he's a music teacher so who am i to talk?
and yes i make the rules but my problem was that my kicks sound too wet (at least my old ones... need a full mix to teste the new ones) and i wanted to know if there was some kind of basis to start... i'll use my ear and my 2.1 30€ speakers till i'm rich  |
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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 19, 2005 21:00
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On 2005-10-18 00:25, uccpd wrote:
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On 2005-10-16 02:56, e-motion wrote:
thanks.
just one comment, that thing many people say that there are no rules here, and to do what sounds good... sounds right doesn't mean done right. tracks can be good if they sound right but production quality is only achieved by doing right.
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i wonder if you apply this on your synth programmings
i ask myself wich synths are you using and your tweaks.
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my synths are all unique in sound. you're wondering and yawning too much for my taste...
we are talking about sound quality here. |
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