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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 15, 2005 14:14
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i recently talked to a professional producer (he produces techno), that gives classes on a music production course here. he said to me never to use a L2 in any channel except for mastering. well i use it on kick. i wonder how professionals process their kicks. i'm using a soundforge sine kick... my idea is an equalizer, then a compressor (should i use multiband?).
it's that i have a lots of inserts in my kick and altough it "sounds nice" it is too wet... and i'm almost sure it won't sound good on a PA...
please no, "use your ears" replys. you need basis before you use your ears... and i don't have monitors. |
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 15, 2005 15:11
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you can try to eq compress with a small ratio and eq again ,me often i just use eq , i find the best kicks are the one who dont need lot of process.
you can try to do some kicks with synth or soft synth , 1 osc sine wave ,env modulate the pitch and the filter |
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parapsyched
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Posted : Oct 15, 2005 16:42
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first of all there r no rules use whatever u want on whatever u want. but using an L2 IN A KICK MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC SINCE IT ALSO CHANGES YOUR KICK SOUND
(SORT OF A LOUDNESS EFFECT THERE) . BUT IF U LIKE IT. AND IT SOUND GOOD. USE IT.
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and compressing and eq on regular speakers... very bad. most of the time you`ll have to exagurate in order to hear diffrences and usually and u do hear them it means they r much too strong . it will be so much easier for u when switch to monitors u`ll realy hear something.
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Antbreath
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Posted : Oct 15, 2005 17:08
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You could try, Compressing , then Eq....flatten the bastid then pull out some sweet Freq's, Sit your Kick right in the mix(maybe pull up the make up gain), and Bung and L2 (l3) over your final output mix (for home mastering)....
just and idea, i aint no pro |
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Yuli
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 00:10
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use your ears... j/k
Using L2 or it's kind of processor on any channel but Main Master channel is a mistake in my opinion. Moreover I dont use that on the master channel as well since I believe one has to learn how the sound should be as it is and to make the mastering afterwards.
Dealing with the bassdrum different from kick to kick. There are kick samples that are already tightened and almost dont need any compression at all, sometimes only small eq will do the trick. On the other hand all those A-la Drummer style kicks, that more used in House orientated music, are in need for serious compression and EQing.
While you EQ just remember not to cut off too much sub bass from the kick, then it would sound skinny. But it is necessary on most of the kicks to use the low cut at least to remove the 30hz and lower frequencies which usually are pretty useless in the mix since are very hard to hear, but might make a lot of mud in the low ends. Also check out the following frequencies and see what they do to your bassdrum ( 110, 130, 150, 170 )
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 00:12
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i recomend the PSP vintage warmer.
it takes time to know how to use it well but it gives good relsults. dirve & compression ! |
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rübe und luki
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 01:46
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Another thing you could try is a little bit of waveshaping (not for already fucked up kick-samples, but for your own you did from scratch...)
And concerning frequencies.. if you have found your "main"-resonant-frequency (depends on how the kick is tuned, if you don't know, sweep through it with an EQ..)
you can boost it a little. Well, but on a crappy soundsystem your "drive" will get lost, since its too low.. So here comes the trick: take your main-frequency (ex. 55hz) and add this amount to itself (110hz). There, at 110hz, boost again. Repeat this (adding always the main-frequency) till you reach ~300-400Hz. Stop there..
Example: main-frequency (your sweet spot) 55hz. Boost there and at 110hz, 165hz, 220hz and at 275hz. Not too much, and only a small band.
Result: Your kick will also be strong on a crappy soundsystem, if done carefully.. (i belief the Waves MaxxBass plugin does something similar..)
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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 02:56
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thanks.
just one comment, that thing many people say that there are no rules here, and to do what sounds good... sounds right doesn't mean done right. tracks can be good if they sound right but production quality is only achieved by doing right.
well my conclusions are... get vintage harmer and maxx bass (altough i have some plugins from waves and a lot from PSP... i don't have this too)and EQ less possible (cause one thing i learn is that too wet sounds can sound good but they're not good...).
my thoughts
1. EQ
2. Vintage Harmer
3. Compressor (optional, full-band, may also be before the harmer)
4. EQ (optional)
just one more things...
you have your bassline much stronger than you wanted compared to your kick... which would you do tend to do most of the processing? and if the kick is stronger than the bass. just a curiosity... |
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cytopia
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 12:14
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 12:42
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On 2005-10-15 14:14, e-motion wrote:
i recently talked to a professional producer (he produces techno), that gives classes on a music production course here. he said to me never to use a L2 in any channel except for mastering. well i use it on kick. i wonder how professionals process their kicks. i'm using a soundforge sine kick... my idea is an equalizer, then a compressor (should i use multiband?).
it's that i have a lots of inserts in my kick and altough it "sounds nice" it is too wet... and i'm almost sure it won't sound good on a PA...
please no, "use your ears" replys. you need basis before you use your ears... and i don't have monitors.
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unless your host has delay compensation, you should not use neither multiband compressors nor limiters because, most of the times, they introduce latency.
it is better to use eq, and then compressor to taste. it would be best to choose a kick which does not require any procesing at all.
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e-motion
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 13:55
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yes but i don't have the "kick that doesn't require any processing at all"  |
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LiquidSpaceGermany
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 14:49
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 16:09
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On 2005-10-16 13:55, e-motion wrote:
yes but i don't have the "kick that doesn't require any processing at all"
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it s that you need to find ,same for evry sound ,there no real magic (maybe if you are very good),a shit sound will always stay shit or not as good as one who sound very good wihtout process, a good kick come from the bassline sound and vice et verca(listen misted muppets or delta there kick are often not good it s when the bassline come the groove is killer) |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 18:06
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Indeed I think you are better off finding a kick that don't need processing first of all.
Asking, "what processing do I need on my kick" is a bit like asking "how do I repair my car".
First of all, what is the problem with the car.
What kind of car is it?
If your car always need repairs it's maybe a good idea to just get a car that you can trust in.
But now you decided to make your own, and to get that working you need to figure whats wrong with it.
Does the kick have too less oomph in the bottom end?
Does it not have enough punch in the mids?
Is it sounding great on it's own, but dissappears in the mix?
Does it need more snap?
Is it too prolonged?
When you know whats you want to fix, then you maybe know the answer yourself.
Most of the problems could be addressed without processing if you are creating it from scratch.
If the envelope in the tool you are using to make the kick can't make the results you want, try to find something with envelopes that can.
Or if that fails, use compression to shape it into having more transient, weight or snap.
If the kick has to less bass presense, tune the wave and pitch envelope.
If you for some reason can't get that right, use EQ to fix it.
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Methodic Marble
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Posted : Oct 16, 2005 23:42
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Yeah Spindrift , You there..... |
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