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problem with bass tuning
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e10
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 18:39:00
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I am about to finish a track but everytime I listen to it sometimes the bass seems in tune and sometimes it doesnt (also depends if i move a little from the monitors, or change the position of the headphones) i believe its something in the really low freqs but when I EQ it does the same thing somtime seems in tune and sometimes dont and if EQ too much it loses its punch, I also try to listen to it on different speakers same problem, any idea? |
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COMET SHELL
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 20:15
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why dont you post the track in the workshop or here so we can listen. |
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e10
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 21:46
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Upavas
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Taisto
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Posted : Aug 3, 2013 01:46
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Check your other sound field that it is in tune, it can make massive difference to your overall feel of bass, and you start feeling something is not in tune. If you bass is from synth (not analog which can go out of tune by it self) its quite impossible to tune you bass wrong until you dont do it yourself, but with sample its easy when it can be out of your tune by it self. Depends on what key it is sampled.
Anyway you just have to trust your ears if you are using something which not saying its own key on other way. If you have that ear you should hear for example a car, or different cars on what keys they playing if you stand next to them.
Using pitch shifting as an automation is more difficult when it appears to effect more multiple ways to the overall sound..
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e10
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Posted : Aug 3, 2013 01:46
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OK I realized now that I had effects and processing on the all the spectrum of the bass which made the subs of the bass go a little off so what I made an effect chain and split the freqs with a multiband compressor , one bass chain and the other chan is the rest (mid, high) and all the effects I put on the highs of the bass and the sub stays clean and nice. |
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e10
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Posted : Aug 3, 2013 04:12
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well, still when I move a little from the monitors its sounds odd could it be the room maybe? |
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e10
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Posted : Aug 3, 2013 12:57
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it's seems to be only an eq issue since there was alot of bass freqs which were are not root and made it sound out of tune |
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Hypereal
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Posted : Aug 3, 2013 15:45
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watch for acoustics and eq |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Aug 4, 2013 06:26
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curious: why using a multi-band compressor to split the signal instead of an EQ?
you need to be very familiar with what those crossfades are doing to the signal and even if this splitting does introduce some kind of delay or not. this can mean phase issues, that are very important if we're talking low end.
if you're unsure what I'm talking about check the Waves Audio's videos on their "InPhase" plug-in or, even better, watch Noisia's recent video for Future Music where they go about how they handle this kind of stuff - even though it's much focused on drums. But the theory is the same for any sort of sounds.
If you have a sub with its phase locked (retrig on) it should be stable by itself, coming out of the synth or sampler. I wouldn't use any stereo effects on my bass sounds bellow 250-300Hz, even though this is no rule of gold, just my take on it. But even if you did, the sub should really stay in place. So, are you sure the second layer's signal isn't bleeding into the other? With some phaser stretching itself beyond the frequency limits you've set with the compressor splitting or something similar? If you're sure of that, must be the other sounds that have to much low end and are interfering with your low end. No room problems would make your bass jump out of tune like that, could make for a bad sounding bass, but a bad or even crappy bass, but stable and in tune. So I wouldn't worry to much about that, try to use some cool EQ instead of the multi-band compressor and see where it takes you.
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e10
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Posted : Aug 4, 2013 15:19
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On 2013-08-04 06:26, frisbeehead wrote:
curious: why using a multi-band compressor to split the signal instead of an EQ?
you need to be very familiar with what those crossfades are doing to the signal and even if this splitting does introduce some kind of delay or not. this can mean phase issues, that are very important if we're talking low end.
if you're unsure what I'm talking about check the Waves Audio's videos on their "InPhase" plug-in or, even better, watch Noisia's recent video for Future Music where they go about how they handle this kind of stuff - even though it's much focused on drums. But the theory is the same for any sort of sounds.
If you have a sub with its phase locked (retrig on) it should be stable by itself, coming out of the synth or sampler. I wouldn't use any stereo effects on my bass sounds bellow 250-300Hz, even though this is no rule of gold, just my take on it. But even if you did, the sub should really stay in place. So, are you sure the second layer's signal isn't bleeding into the other? With some phaser stretching itself beyond the frequency limits you've set with the compressor splitting or something similar? If you're sure of that, must be the other sounds that have to much low end and are interfering with your low end. No room problems would make your bass jump out of tune like that, could make for a bad sounding bass, but a bad or even crappy bass, but stable and in tune. So I wouldn't worry to much about that, try to use some cool EQ instead of the multi-band compressor and see where it takes you.
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well I tried using Ableton's Multi-Dynamics but I ended up not using it (although I dont recall having a preticular problem with it )and only doing some EQ.
there wasn't any big effects on the bass only a sausage fattner , transient shaper and a compressor (and also another one with SC on kick) each of them changed the sound abit but in the end I did some EQ and I think its sounds pretty ok.
here's the track if you're wondering
thanks everyone!
https://soundcloud.com/gezergazur/ectrmxmaster2 |
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Hypereal
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Posted : Aug 4, 2013 19:51
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kick and bass sound strange |
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