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___spin@
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Posted : Nov 28, 2001 22:04:26
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man... this thread is just too politicly corect.
its nice to read all your speaches about "arsim are people too... and they should party too...", but u all know that its not like that.
all of u r looking for underground parties, just for not seeing an "ars" next to u.
all of u r coming home disapointed if the party was full of "arsim".
all of u have names for them, for EX:"shimon"
and threr r much more things in this thread that r a big faik.
i realy dont have nothing aginst "arsim".. as u all said B-for... they r people just like us... they should party too.
sure... every body should praty, but from the personal view... we all have kinds of people that we WANT to party with... and the people that we DONT WANT to party with. i realy dont think that its ok... but thats how it is, a fact. it dosnt mean that they r the anamy, its just a personal "taste", if we can call it like that.
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___Auspexx
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 09:08:29
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off the tree with you. again, you generalize everybody (all of u r...) - I know its partly true, but not for all, old boy.
more so, I still think that there is some additional purpose to these debates, which is education - trying to improve our life in general and scene in particular, and if anyone (like nicos for example who slightly changed his response at the end of the debate) will try to actualy accept some of the concepts that were given here, I think that we will be the benefitors. maybe you should try some also?
Love&Light, smiles and understanding to all,
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___tomeron
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 12:38:28
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strong words tal. |
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___kaz
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 14:34:53
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Yossi, of course most of us prefer to go to a party with less people we refer to as "unpleasant" faces, and yes, we all look for and go to underground parties.
But hell, that's reason #1 for going underground, with a strong #2 of the police. But saying "I want you and all of the people like you out of here" is something no one lives by. |
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___spin@
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 17:18:06
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not lives by... but looking for it.
look... i realy dont hate "arsim"... i got many friends from the army that define as "arsim", and i have no problem with it. i just talked about whats hapening in general.
i dont mind going to parties with lots of people from all kind. but to be honest... if u want a good party, it will be underground... and not B-coz the police... but the crowd.
and i didnt talked about my seld spesificly...but about the common perspective of the "party people".for EX: np:the thread about the "huga party"... ask any1 in here y it sucked big time... 1 of the answers that u will get is-coz of the bad crowd.
may-B its not nice... may-B u realy wanna change it... but i just said whats going on out there, and not to hurt any body or some1.
and its realy great that people want to make change, but u gotta be honest and true to yourself first. and im sure tal... that if u want a realy good party, we all know what kind of party u will look for... and not just B-coz the police. but..thats only my little point of view. :)
b good amigos :)
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___CozyCactus
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 17:41:35
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Auspexx Kshisha
100% agree with you:)
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___ShivaS
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Posted : Nov 29, 2001 17:47:52
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Wish Auspexx were always writing such things!
(u know Tal)
wtg!
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___Auspexx
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Posted : Nov 30, 2001 12:40:49
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and yossi, this one can be backed by most of my friends - just ask them which crowd I prefere at a party. I'm sure you'll be suprised.
but I'm not the issue here - the issue is, again, can all of us change this rotten attitude (IMO) and create a better scene? I believe that today, even MIKO will be considered an ars (and just imagine the crowd he will draw), while back in 95 he was considered to be underground (because trance was completely new and underground scene).
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___TrancEisT
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Posted : Nov 30, 2001 13:08:06
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Live and let live.
as long as no one hurts me are does any harm to me let's party!!
but the thing is there are sometimes CRIMINALS or very violent ppl at parties that for some reason wear different cloths and look differantly, so sorry for the globalization but i think it's natural to be more casious near ppl that look like them than colorfull people.
as much as this point is debated - cloths DO tell who you are.
i can add another 50 points here but it will all come down to: LIVE AND LET LIVE & Party ON!
don't bother me i won't bother you, smile to me i will smile at you. i smile at you do whatever u want - preferably smile back :)
try to bust my car i will be sad since i am not a violent person.
- all the wistling, shouting and hand clapping shit - that's way beyond "racism" that's the way some ppl show their happyness then let it be!
i shout alot too during the morning! try it, it's so fun!
and how come i never noticed anyone looking down at me with a grouchy face becuase i was shouting out of happyness?
as tal ( i think) said : once we all shouted, wisteled and went nuts.. today we look at people that do it as arsim or bad ppl - look what have become of you. i am so glad i got out of this in time... now i see an ars screaming and i smile! once i didn't... |
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___plasticafantastica
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Posted : Nov 30, 2001 16:22:05
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Doesn't Israel have bigger problems now then just "people shouting and clapping" ??? I would imagine that at times like this any form of happiness is welcomed, no matter what that person looks like. :)8):)
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___spin@
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Posted : Dec 1, 2001 22:11:33
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tal... i think the issue is not realy the "arsim", but the "bad people" at parties.
and what can we do?... most of the "bad peopel" are "arsim", and its not just my opinion.
i realy dont care who is dancing next 2 me, u can put there a fucking horse and i wouldnt care.
but i do care when some1 come`s 2 me and ask me for drugs, or fucks up my car, or start a figth with my friends. and all the things above where done by "arsim".
look... i realy think that this music is for every1. and the last thing i wanna see is a fucking "selector" in the entrace to the forest.
its just wrong. i realy dont have an answer to this problem, but in the few couple messages i just talked about a fact... and the fact is that "bad people" DO come to parties, and im realy sorry... but im realy not into prating with them.
b good :)
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___TrancEisT
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Posted : Dec 1, 2001 23:00:27
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LOL
yossi - haragta oti :) (=u cracked me up man) gadol :D
well.. as a matter of fact i was asked many times by "beutifull" ppl for "sidurim" "bakbukim" and etc... so well...
heh, funny shit with the horse anyway. |
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___tomeron
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Posted : Dec 2, 2001 11:52:15
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i know some "so-called beutiful ppl" that have a realy bad vibe around them & i know some arsim that have it too .
there r arsim with great that can make a party happier & more karahana ,the same with all kinds of ppl....
it doesnt matter ....
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___spin@
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Posted : Dec 2, 2001 20:17:49
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u know tomer... every1 got his own opinion on this, and it dosnt matter how much we will discuss
about it. so.. lets just let every1 do what ever he likes... i think its the best thing.
this way... every body walks out happy ")
b good boys :)
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___kaz
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Posted : Dec 2, 2001 20:40:51
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Tomer: good point man...
I've gotten some very nasty vibes from some of the beautiful people, and there's always an ars that will walk around with a smile on his face and act 100% true to that.
The stereotype that "all of the arsim are what ruin parties" instead of "people with a bad vibe kill the parties" is wrong...
of course, there are a lot of arsim with a bad vibe, so it's not always that big a difference between the two. |
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