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TRANCER
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 18:31
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Hi dudes,
I got no info about the Pro tools, but I ve heard a lot that many -many poeple are using it. could you please let me know more about pro tools and if the free version is a way to go ...
Regards to all fellow isratrancers,
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Psyrap
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 19:04
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the free version for my knowledge only works on win 98 if u r using a pc, and you are restricted for 8 audio tracks. i think protools is the way to go, if you are recording a lot, IMO its number 1 for recording and editing, i wouldnt say that its the best working with midi though. the only way to get free protools is if you buy the Mbox which is cheap but you get the software the LE version and its fully functional. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 19:26
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 19:41
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I think most compters today give a decent track count really.
Maybe one reason to use protools hardware would be those TDM plugins, they are a lot better than VST one's in general.
But still it's a very expensive system for the DSP you get, and UAD-1, Powercore or Scope systems will give you a lot more bang for the buck, albeit still a bit more limited choice of plugins.
And most ppl using MIDI as well use Logic as their sequencer software anyway which will support TDM if you have a DSP farm, or RTAS with the cheaper pro tools hardware.
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Hayez
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 19:53
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On 2005-02-07 19:04, Psyrap wrote:
the only way to get free protools is if you buy the Mbox which is cheap but you get the software the LE version and its fully functional.
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You don't need any special hardware for the free version. It supports your built-in sound card MME driver. It's probably good only as a cheap way to learn PT.
http://www.digidesign.com/ptfree/
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Psyrap
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 02:06
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On 2005-02-07 19:04, Psyrap wrote:
the only way to get free protools is if you buy the Mbox which is cheap but you get the software the LE version and its fully functional.
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You don't need any special hardware for the free version. It supports your built-in sound card MME driver. It's probably good only as a cheap way to learn PT.
http://www.digidesign.com/ptfree/
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what i meant here is that there is a way of getting a fully functional protools, for free. and that is buying the MBOX. i already mentioned that u can get the free one but it only works on win98 and its very old....... and its CRAP. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 02:18
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Ok...let me try to clarify:
The main attraction with pro tools is the very high quality plugins and there is nothing amazing about the software.
Especially if you want to do any MIDI work.
As a multitrack harddisk recording software it's ok.
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Pro tools software only = niether TDM or RTAS plugins...ie hardly fully functional
Protools hardware without DSP farm...for example digi001 and Mbox = RTAS but no TDM
Full scale protools hardware with DSP farm = TDM and RTAS plugins
There is a reason why a full pro tools system cost a lot, and thats because it will give you the highest quality DSP effects available.
Pro tools without TDM or even RTAS is like a ferrari without an engine.
Looks fine, but a Fiat will drive better.
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Pavel
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 06:44
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I don't really see why Psy producer would be interested in Pro Tools. Unless he has a lot of outboard gear that is... Those systems are for more mainstream minded material.
And IMHO it's not as user friendly as the latest versions of Cubase and Logic. The interface is not really inspiring. Not for me anyway. It just looks like digitized Multi Track Recorder. Everyone in the world is doing something without me |
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TRANCER
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 18:08
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Thanks a lot everybody for the info. I got it.
I just wanted to know cos I've read that a lot of Proffessionals are using it.
well I thought may be Pro tools free would be a start , but I guess Pavel is right , thats good if we've got outboard gear.
and spindrift thnks a lot for the info ...
Regards and respect
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 18:42
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I must just say that most of you guys are wrong and big time!
Pro tools is our tape machine of our days and thats a fact.
every professional recording studio uses pro tools today as it's main sequencer. And it goes on about the mac/pc issue cause all recording studios use mac's and not pc's.
why not all you big psy trance producer become a bit more inspiring and productive and do recored your own stuff and use audio insted of constant boring unreliable midi.
Mr OOOD saying there is nothing pro tools does that cubase doesn't well thats just someone showing off about something he doesn't know about.
as spindrift said highest quality DSP effects. you pay for what you get....
It costs money cause it's good and latest version as improved the midi and you can do stuff that you couldn't before so midi is a lot better in pro tools now.
Maybe OOOD can tell me how can he make is track faster in 4bpm without losing all the automation you've done??!
After all you are mixing in it all in the computer, i'm sure your not bringing it up an SSL board with 80 channels.
So many things that protools is much more professinal and cubase is way beyond...
But hey to make 4 to the floor @ home you don't need much do you....
And if there is something out there that is gettng closer to protools it's logic but then all pc users have gone out from this equation , sadly...
it's all about how you use what you have but pro tools is in a different league to it's other rivals!
Bom BOm
BUju
P.S. @ Pavel, the problem is exectly because psy trance producer would not think of how to get a mean rig on the go to make quality production but how can i get free plugins and free samples and spend the less money possible to make a track and become known...
Thats where the problem is my friend...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 18:54
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On 2005-02-08 18:42, DJ Buju wrote:
I must just say that most of you guys are wrong and big time!
Pro tools is our tape machine of our days and thats a fact.
every professional recording studio uses pro tools today as it's main sequencer. And it goes on about the mac/pc issue cause all recording studios use mac's and not pc's.
why not all you big psy trance producer become a bit more inspiring and productive and do recored your own stuff and use audio insted of constant boring unreliable midi.
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I find MIDI rather usefull when controlling synthesizers myself, wheather virtual ones or not.
I don't think it would be a good idea for me at least to start playing all my sequences live on a keyboard to record them to audio.
If trance producers actually made a decent income from thier music I'm sure most would have a fat DSP farm loaded with TDM plugins, but they would for sure be using Logic still since they are very dependent on MIDI.
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 19:02
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On 2005-02-08 18:54, Spindrift wrote:
I find MIDI rather usefull when controlling synthesizers myself, wheather virtual ones or not.
I don't think it would be a good idea for me at least to start playing all my sequences live on a keyboard to record them to audio.
If trance producers actually made a decent income from thier music I'm sure most would have a fat DSP farm loaded with TDM plugins, but they would for sure be using Logic still since they are very dependent on MIDI.
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Didn't say you should play it live @ all,
but please tell me you print your midi to audio once your done with the midi part your doing?!?
Or next thing i'm gonna hear is that midi is in time when you quantize it?!? LOL
To edit your midi and time it properly you must turn it in to audio.... and man if people would start looking @ pro tools midi they would be suprised as it is really really good in the last version 6.7
P.S,- your track is @ 140bpm and you finished mixing it, there are lots of tracks and LOTS of automation youve done while mixing this track for the past week...
Then you deicde to speed it up to 144bpm.
What you gonna do? time the stereo track? LOL
Where did the automaition gone.... or sorry probeblly using some FREE vst to time strech your stereo mix and it's probeblly ok sounding right?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 19:13
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I haven't tried the MIDI in pro-tools since the very first version with MIDI, whatever it was called.
I doubt it beats Logic still though.
I do record most of my instruments to audio eventually, but that don't make things different at all, I still want a decent MIDI implementation when creating the parts in the first place.
And my MIDI is in time, I don't know what problem you have with your configuration if it's not.
And the part you say about "To edit your midi and time it properly you must turn it in to audio" does not make a whole lot of sense.
I sure do not need to turn the part into audio to edit my MIDI.
Actually when the part is as audio, editing the MIDI will do bugger all to the sequence.
And I never change the bpm on the track after I started on it.
That would mean having to stretch all your audio and would be quite bad for the sound quality. I guess I would record the track in 140 bpm and then strech the whole thing with best possible stretching software to 144 if the need would arise.
And I don't have a clue why you think the automation in Logic would not follow the BPM??
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TRANCER
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 19:16
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dj buju,
what do you say about pro-tools... |
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TRANCER
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Posted : Feb 8, 2005 19:19
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I mean Pro tools free |
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