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Presets,styles own music or not ?
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cytopia
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Posted : Apr 16, 2006 14:23
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No harm in starting with a preset; the challenge it to tweak in into something nice & original.
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Apr 18, 2006 20:40
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On 2006-04-15 19:16, Invizible Kid wrote:
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On 2006-04-13 23:16, Dharma Lab wrote:
Some people may say otherwise, but you could carry the argument further, stating that it's not your music unless you design the synth yourself, etc etc. I think it's the difference between an artist, and an artisan. |
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That is a bit ridiculous though really. Was Jimi Hendrix a musician? Did he handcraft his own guitars and engineer his recordings? To take that argument to a further conclusion you could say that you have to make the synth, or design the software yourself. Or maybe you could take it a few steps further still and say that you must be the one to have discovered physics and mathematics aswell to be truly original.
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I thought I would get a taker on that one. You've proved my point exactly, each & every one of us is building on a foundation of the work of others. So, we get the very definition of what 'your own music is'. This is taking it to a theoretical extreme, but I'm trying to point out that we're all borrowing from others each & every day. I just find it laughable when someone looks down on another who uses a preset (or just looking down on someone in general), because it's all a big ego trip. This argument about the agregates of a 'thing', and how many we can take away before it is no longer that 'thing' have been debated literally for thousands of years (Buddhist concept of Emptiness). I'm not singling out anyone or intending to offend with these statements, just offering another perspective on it.
I agree that making music with presets is likely to get stale, but so is making music using C Major chords only. I agree that that there is nothing more satisfying than starting from scratch. I think that using only presets is really limiting yourself & your growth. I think that if a preset is the exact sound your looking for, then go for it. I think that most people write music to express their inviduality, and using a preset is a bit of a compromise in that regard.
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Barius
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Posted : Apr 18, 2006 22:31
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I use presets a lot when I want to tweak a certain sound. I find a preset that sounds nice and tweak it the way i want it. Sometimes the end results are totally different from the original preset.
I mean, why the hell shouldn´t I do this? It is what they are made for. Very few people really care if you are using a completely factory made preset, or if you have created it yourself. Anyway. As I said, tweaking the presets are fun and efficient! And the results often become very original. |
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bandarlog
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 00:51
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Sure I use presets! To tweak them in your direction and taste. I never ended up using a preset without tweaking it though cause they usually don't fit my taste. Only in blip.dll, that little free synth has got two excellent presets  .
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diskOtek
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 01:07
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presets exist to be used!
anyone can use em in the way he/she feels right!
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Substance/Atari.1
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 03:47
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well... good to hear all this points of view... rarely any mexican guy have complanined yet (most of them love to), so i have seen that most of u guys like presets and lets say the others like the tweaking ( im with both), now... what u think? because i have at least 2 guys who thinks that using i dont know... sample cds maybe some friends sounds i mean some ... snares, and basically fx sounds is a lack of creativity, and doesnt count as ur own music, wich makes them think also that u are not beeing original producing the music u are doing.
i think thats really stupid... cuz like diskOtek said... presets exists to be used, and so sample cds, etc etc.
however what u think about that? are u making ur own and developing a style using all this resources? |
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sonicroy
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 03:57
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Prests are examples of how versatile the so called synth actually is, Presets are nothing but an imaginary boundary which do nothing less than initiate the process of whats yet to be created, so if u do not have a neat preset to start with ur only going to take 20times longer to create a track than people who use prestes and tweak them to thier advantage, starting all the way from generating a tone, to actually tweaking it to create a multilayered track would take awefully long if u already know what u want,
maybe my opinion differs from the rest sorry in advance guys, but hope im right ???
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 18:36
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presets breed lazyness... Instead of evaluating a sound and trying to recreate it by listening to the elements that make the sound people just want the preset... And reverse engineering a sound is something very usefull to learn how to use synths, so in fact all you do is refusing to learn to use ur synth properly... |
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 18:43
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On 2006-04-13 13:50, makus wrote:
i never use any presets, while i make my own for private use. i alsways make the sound from init patches - it is much more interesting for me. i like to think i control the sound, not someone=)
but presets are usefull when you get a new software - synth or effect. just for examining what it can do.
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in concur completely, that is exactly how i see it too... I do like to use sounds that are already used, since almost every sound has been used at one time or another (even if i don't know about it), but as i said before, i take the reverse engineering approach, instead of asking people for a preset, and i learned a lot like that... |
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 19:06
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Some people may say otherwise, but you could carry the argument further, stating that it's not your music unless you design the synth yourself, etc etc. I think it's the difference between an artist, and an artisan.
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and there are people who think like that, just look at mouse on mars for example... They deconstruct household electronics and build synths with it, they throw plastic constructions in the microwave and call it a percussion instrument, they never download samples but record every single sample themselves with a microphone... It's just the way you look at it..
In hiphop for example you get frowned upon if u use downloaded samples... In psytrance people don't even frown if u use samples from (illegaly downloaded) sample cd's (that's where i draw the line... Sample cd's are for film/game/background music composers, to make they're workflow faster, not for composers of 'real' music). |
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fregle
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 19:21
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On 2006-04-15 19:16, Invizible Kid wrote:
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On 2006-04-13 23:16, Dharma Lab wrote:
Some people may say otherwise, but you could carry the argument further, stating that it's not your music unless you design the synth yourself, etc etc. I think it's the difference between an artist, and an artisan. |
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That is a bit ridiculous though really. Was Jimi Hendrix a musician? Did he handcraft his own guitars and engineer his recordings? To take that argument to a further conclusion you could say that you have to make the synth, or design the software yourself. Or maybe you could take it a few steps further still and say that you must be the one to have discovered physics and mathematics aswell to be truly original.
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well, that brings us to something interesting.
Is jimmy original or not? He does use existing material that other people at the time were using too, but he used it in an unusual way (at the time, right now it's everything but unusual), because he opened up the treble of his marchall stack way too far, most producers at the time would say that he abuses it... So that makes him original... On the other hand, his songs are rocksongs, with the same elements as all other rockbands and the same songstructure, the same scales, etc... So in that way he is not original at all... But on the whole, if you hear a jimmy-song you will recognise it isn't it, even if nobody told you it's a jimmy song... If you hear an infected mushroom song, you will recognise it as infected, etc... That is also a kind of originality... But infected uses highly unoriginal sounds (they get flamed every time in future music because of they're stereotypical trance-sounds) in a very classical way, so people who feel that someone is original only if he makes his own sounds will not agree with me...
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Janue
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 21:56
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Presets are cool, u can tweak them and have a totally new thing if u know what a filter,Lfo, or Fm or Modulation does, i dont see the problem using presets, one thing is making music with the original preset in a kind of lazy way and another is tweak them to make something different, stop the fight dudes if someone does his own presets it's cool very cool, but thats only him he doesnt give the right to bash against other for not be like him... Fuck it if u like what u are hearing so what??? Development is the word here only but work and development is the way to happyness hehe Cheers
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sonicroy
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Posted : Apr 19, 2006 23:00
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Hey guys,
Really sorry if i offend anyone here, but im still trying to understand if im wrong here,my point is that after tweaking on a specific synth a bit,u already know what the parameters are and, so tweaking a preset that already exists, and moulding it to your advantage is what most artists do, coz that leaves more headroom for the artist to experiment with other warez,sounds,plugnis and other stuff , im mean say u tweak and overwrite about 3 passes changing the env, release and the decay and then thru a plugin and it will be impossible to identify it with the orignal patch,
maybe like some say Jimi probably built his own guitar coz there shouldnt have been a sound like his if he wernt around, but yep guitar sounds seem to have existed forever, Jimi heard something, liked it, played it, improvised it and recreated his own signature sound, isint that evolution of a new sound just like what ur gonna do to a preset ........My friends who disagree, its only a matter of opinion here, i believe that presets are created by people who make these monster synths, and those hi quality sounds are efforts of people who know the capabalities of the machine, so insted of trying to regenerate , id rather add my efforts to an already nice sound and get something unique......btw i do sound design so my opinions might differ from those of musicians.....
Artists please shed some light on this topic would be really nice to know how people approach factory presets......
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Apr 20, 2006 00:07
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I use the presets on the Steinway Concert Grand - Model D piano all the time.....
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Apr 20, 2006 00:08
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burp....double post Keep The Faith,
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