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aarong
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 18:17
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yo raoul are you on pc or mac cos my presets are .pst files and can't load up cst ones? appreciate the effort though ;-) |
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 18:21
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same here bro 
fo shure some esm presets are wellcome 
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pilgrim
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 18:47
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.cst is channelstripsetting, these include the setting of the plugin aswell as effect-settings (eq...)
in logic go to the mixer on the top there is a small arrow if you click on it you can load these presets....sometimes you need to copy them into the right directory before you can do that
i dont know if this function was already in logic for pc... |
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 19:25
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you cant move them into the channel strip settings folder libr/appsuport/chstripsett cause it cannot be modified..
and also on the mixer window you cant 'browse' for finding the settings you wanna load...
Just checked..
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 23:07
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imac/library/appsupport/logic/chstripsett/instrument
Dont know if its me but i dont think these work proper...all i get is an oscilator like sound...all the 'esmbass' sound the same...
anyways for esm try the plugbass setting,comrpess sidchain/gate Eq tweak and there you have it..
Im still working with it my self!
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punkah
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 23:58
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user (your name)/library/application support/ logic/ channel strip/ instrument.
some fat ones there, but it all depends on note placement, note lenght and the way you write your basslines. for me, one did work fine on a certain song, but i had to tweak a bit.
my presets are way different. I use less decay (amp), actually, i suit the decay to be as fast as possible considering the song bpm`s. i also use different filter and inst settings.
and I EQ the subtractive way, very little...
anyway, it was an interesting experience checking differente methods |
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punkah
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Posted : Jan 13, 2007 00:03
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On 2007-01-12 15:25, Raoul V wrote:
ps... and for gaaawd sakes sample loops to get the best envelopes, that is sooo imp if using this synth i feel..
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right kiddo!!!
not that consistent you know...
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jan 13, 2007 00:42
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when u say sample do you mean to bounce it  ?
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Raoul V
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Posted : Jan 14, 2007 09:54
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On 2007-01-13 00:42, Scrambled Headz wrote:
when u say sample do you mean to bounce it ?
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yeah, basically loop the same 4/8 beats and bounce it a few times (olr repeat and bounce a long section) and then alt click the file after 4/8 beats and it'll break the wav into many smaller loops... then zoom in look and listen for the best envelope.. delete the rest and then keep repeating that section... will sound consistent... sort of like manually retriggering!! |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Jan 14, 2007 09:56
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what ill do is also drop u guys some midi patterns (with the kiks used) for each bass patch i posted.. gimme a lil bit...
boom
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 15, 2007 01:08
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On 2007-01-11 01:32, Inner Demon wrote:
kaz, I'm not trying to diss your advice but I wonder where you got some of the things from..don't pass on as advice to other ppl unless you're sure and can explain why.
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OK, well, obviously since the guy was asking for presets, I didn't want to start a long monolog that he'll never bother trying out. But here goes:
When making full-on, sound must be controlled, squeezed and made to fit the formula of the genre, in order for your track to sound as loud and as rich as the ones out there. Of course, the beginning of this is the bassline, and the kick and bass combination is in almost 100% of the cases pure audio after completed, the rest of the track built around that. Anyways, the most importnat thing - as I mentioned in the start - is CONTROL. You cannot control it, therefor you cannot use it. This is not the 90s, there are rules for sound and mixdown in full-on that are not broken.
The main reason why not to use B, C, C# or D as a base note when making a full-on bassline with ESM:
D# (1st Octave) is at 38.89Hz, below that you usually do NOT get a clear sound on monitors, and A# (1st Octave) is already 58.27Hz, above that and you have no audible and controllable bass under 60Hz, giving your basslines either a pussified feeling or an inaccurate/uncontrolable mixdown as you will be working with inaudible frequencies or without an accurate representation of them.
Even the higher end monitors (Dynaudio BM6A, Adam S2A) do not give a smooth picture under 37Hz. Innacuracy is forgiveable in most basslines for that warm fuzzy and funky sound, but full-on the bass is down to a formula. Synthesizers other than the ESM may have more overtones to them, making this possible, but if it SHOULD be theoretically unmanageable, then it IS unmanageable on this plugin, plain and simple.
About the highpass - it's specific advice assuming that:
a) you do not have a subwoofer unit attached to your monitors, and therefor cannot accurately tune under 35Hz.
b) you want to keep the kick with more oomph than your bassline, so you will have at least SOME rhythmic effect to your lower frequencies.
c) you could use the extra headroom in your track for lets say... richer leads.
About the notch recommended. Let's assume you use the A as your base note, but you want the bassline to allow the leads to sit over it without the occasional clash. If you Notch 440Hz (A, 4th Octave), then you can have a 4th Octave lead which will not have mixdown issues with your bassline, and the bassline will sound well-seperated from the rest of the track (a notch is nearly always used for this reason, giving the extra space for the lower-midrange lead is just a recommendation, but obiviously, not a must, specifically with non-melodic music. But we ARE talking full-on here). This rule is obviously not necessary in all forms of music and even harmful in some (techtrance for instance).
Raising around 5KHz just tends to give the bassline a lot more presence with very little gain in volume. With some decay on the envelope for the frequency, this will make the bassline stand out a whole lot more. The full-on bass is NOT a background element, it needs the extra presence.
As to the compression - this is full-on. Dynamics on the bass are unecessary. The track is not supposed to be groovy, it's supposed to be energetic. Of course, compression is up to the creator of the track, but in full-on it's done in over 95% of the times. You want to get the maximum oomph out of the minimum volume. After a lot of EQ work, you may get a bassline with a lot of dynamic range, and considering it's dominance in the mix, that will translate into thinner leads, or a necessity to control their dynamic range, taking the organic feeling out of the track.
Don't overdo this naturally, but if your sound is well tuned, this will end up freeing a lot of the dynamic range for leads and percussion - helping you get that crisp punchy rhythm you've been trying to nail. Ohh, and if the bassline isn't overlapping with the kick - than sidechaining it will make ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER TO THE SOUND. So saying not to do this is irrelevant even if the sounds AREN'T overlapping.
As to outputing to .WAV, necessary in order to not cause phasing issues which will give you pesky peaks randomly appearing throughout the track. Also, if your bassline is monotone, you could bounce the minimal amount of notes possible, to give it as uniform a feel as possible, again, to leave the mixdown clear for the more dynamic-intesnive stuff like leads.
If the notes in your bassline are overlapping - make them shorter, problem solved. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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aarong
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 03:10
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nice one for clearin that up kaz! |
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the daleks
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charles7
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