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aarong
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 16:35
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after year of trying to get that full on bassline with these synth it still has not enough ooomph! so i settle for quirky basslines but now i feel i must sort out my problem! i have read v sttion tutorial etc but to no avail. does anybody want to sort me out with some kik ass presets. much obliged! i use logic ;-) |
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 19:31
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Never make your track's base note B, C, D... only D#-A#. Use ESM, Saw wave, don't use too much resonance, set the int on the filter to 30% or so and the decay to give it a nice sharp touch. Add an EQ on the channel, create a notch somewhere between 400 to 600 Hz (depending on the base note of the track, use a note frequency table), highpass that'll take away about 3db from 40Hz (Q factor 10 on the logic Fat EQ), raise a bit on the 5KHz on it. Compress the f*"% out of it. Bounce and use as audio. Add a compressor sidechained to your kick, just for good measure.
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Brain Hacked
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 01:11
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Why never on B,C,D? i bet there tons of track written on those scales, im just curious why not |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 01:32
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On 2007-01-10 19:31, kaz wrote:
Never make your track's base note B, C, D... only D#-A#. Use ESM, Saw wave, don't use too much resonance, set the int on the filter to 30% or so and the decay to give it a nice sharp touch. Add an EQ on the channel, create a notch somewhere between 400 to 600 Hz (depending on the base note of the track, use a note frequency table), highpass that'll take away about 3db from 40Hz (Q factor 10 on the logic Fat EQ), raise a bit on the 5KHz on it. Compress the f*"% out of it. Bounce and use as audio. Add a compressor sidechained to your kick, just for good measure.
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I'm sorry but hat kind of advice is this? Of course you can use B C D or whatever note u like for that matter, totally depends on the kick, the bass synth and the sound you're looking for.
Specific advice on eq is rather useless in my opinion but since you're desrcribing a particular ESM sound ok...
Furthermore, only compress if you really need to.. if not, keep the dynamics 
Personally I leave most of the bass track in midi until the track is ready... would be such a hassle otherwise when I deicide to change structure and breaks etc.. everyone to his own..
Finally, a side-chain compressor is only needed if the kick and bass are overlapping. Try and make them not overlap instead, it usually sounds better, I'm not sure what 'just for good measure' means.
kaz, I'm not trying to diss your advice but I wonder where you got some of the things from..don't pass on as advice to other ppl unless you're sure and can explain why. |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 07:37
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I use the esm for most of the basslines.. i generally write in fm or gm, or start to jam there, and it sounds killaaarggghghghg, lol. Im going to be really nice, cuz i am a nice guy, and put some channel strip settings for the esm which i made tweaking presets, and the default patch, compressing an eqing... ill leave out the compression because thats a matter of personal taste..
Would love to hear if they work for you ...... let me get home and ill post them..
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Tomos
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 12:50
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Just wanted to give extra support for Inner Demon there, don't want to totally diss you Kaz but.. that's not good info... at all.
I've used all those notes for basslines, there is no perfect EQ setting, it depends on the track, too much compression is a horribe sound and sidechaining only works on overlapping sounds.
Aarong - quirky basslines are cool! And hang in there, you should work on it a bit more until it clicks for you, presets are okay but no good if you want to make your own unique basslines later. It took me about a year and a half to get bassline-fluent. |
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aarong
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 19:56
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been trying the settings kaz gave but i find that no matter how little decay i use the bass line is merging into one note instead of precise 16ths. although i can get it just about right on monitors, when i listen in headphones it 'mulges' into one! i tried cutting it up as audio but it sounded wrong. ps raoul, i didn't know there were fm and gm settings on the esm? in fact i'm not sure what gm even is? ah well i just keep tryin! ;o) |
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aarong
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 20:03
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oh yeah i forgot to say, if your bass line contains more than one note then surely if you eq a specific frequency to highlight a bass note (ie 410 or summat) then this won't help the other notes. hope that makes sense? |
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pilgrim
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 20:50
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hey aarong,
he probably ment minor---the black keys so gm = g#
try drawing shorter notes, specially the first of the three bass notes...
good luck
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punkah
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 21:11
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i believe Kaz gave precious advice there, considering he is refering specifically to the ESM... Obviously you can use any note you want, but I believe too that some notes work better than others on that synth.
For hi-tech/bright basslines set Inst around 30%, and raise Filter Decay slowly untill that sweet metal click pops sharply and consistently (it will be around 30% too, kinda). Obviously all Filter Envelope settings depends on filter settings. I use it around 12 o clock for full on basslines. And you? |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 23:48
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Ok.. I'm sure kaz has no intention to mislead aarong or anyone else but I know from experience that getting a fixed formula like that, especially containing stuff like 'Compress the f*"% out of it' with no explanation as to why whatsoever will probably do more damage than good...
Why? Because none of that information makes you understand whats really going on, and before you understand your basslines will not shine... at least thats my experience.
Just like for Tomos it took me around a year and a half before I 'got it' and even now that I do I'm not sure I could explain to anyone how to do it. Not because its hard (it isn't) but because its like riding a bike, practice is the only way.
My best advice is to keep hacking away, you might not think so now, but it will get better and better.. patience is the key.
Don't be afraid to really work the eq.. or several eq's chained..its a powerful tool but on the other hand it cannot make up for a crappy synth patch so work on that too.
Leave compression and stuff for the time being, trust me a good patch´+ eq is totally enough to make a pro-sounding bassline.
The interaction with the kick is also critical.. read the mother of all basslines thread, everything you need to know is there. And then practice even more |
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aarong
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 02:45
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am loving the response although i am not there yet, does anyone have any tracks online so i may see where you're coming from? also what about the es1? i see people bigging it up quite a lot on here..... |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 15:11
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Raoul V
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 15:25
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ps... and for gaaawd sakes sample loops to get the best envelopes, that is sooo imp if using this synth i feel.. |
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Scrambled Headz
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 16:41
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hey raoul what are these ? .cst ??
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