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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : May 19, 2009 12:57:05
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Hi all,
I red somewhere that before mastering the engineer do NOT want your mix masterbus level to exeed -3db.
Is that -3dbFS? or -3VU(on the k-system)?
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : May 19, 2009 13:58
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Using Cubase I mix it down so it peaks at -3 db on the master channel of the mixer.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : May 19, 2009 14:16
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ok. that helps.
another question;
In FL, the master output on the mixer has a stereo knob by default paned center.
My songs sounds much less 'narrow' in fruity when i adjust this a bit wider..
Should i leave this setting default for the mastering engineer?
btw. very very impressed with your music Axis.
-we enjoy dark psy in south africa.
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Product_Placement
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Posted : May 19, 2009 15:03
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-3dB is good, it must NEVER peak over 0dB though. (on your fruity master)
Basically the louder it is on the master without a limiter without it peaking past 0dB the better, you get less line hum and other digital/analog artifacts.
I usually apply a Waves L2, -0.01dB Ceiling with no obvious attenuation, just so I know a random spike will never go over 0dB.
Leave that knob as default. If your mix sounds too narrow fix it in your mix, apply 'fruity - stereo enhancer' on your synths or whatever, reverb can help with depth too. Also pan your instruments in interesting ways to give each thing its own space. keep kick and bass centre though it usually sounds better mono for psy.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : May 19, 2009 15:17
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understood thx.
I was just concerned that stereo enhancements never pan wider than the master stereo knob allows.
I struggle to get really nice stereo from fruity.
-maybe this will get sorted with mastering.
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Product_Placement
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Posted : May 19, 2009 16:14
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Mastering wont make ur mix sound more stereo, you have to do that! fruity has all the goods to make a nice mix, so just keep practicing. |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : May 19, 2009 16:47
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Sound advice.
I'm listening to 'Good Morning' this moment; awesome stuff. Was that produced in fruity Product_Placement??
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : May 19, 2009 17:25
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that stereo separation knob;
the manual says:
Stereo separation ()- The stereo separation filter allows you to enhance or reduce differences in the audio between the left and right channels of a track. In the default position (middle), the stereo separation filter is disabled. Turn the knob right to decrease the stereo separation (sum L+R to mono), turn left to increase stereo separation. This control has no stereo effect on mono sounds as it works by taking the difference between the L and R channels, if there is no difference then there is nothing to enhance.
Why not use it? -sounds alot better a bit separated. doesnt effect my kick&bass
I just thought the engineer needs it disabled. |
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Posted : May 19, 2009 19:15
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by all means if thats how you want it to sound go for it! music doesnt always have to be by the book.
I sometimes use the stereo widener on instruments as a lazy alternative to a stereo enhancer plugin, although I think using it on a master channel is pretty damaging to a mix, id be scared that it would put things out of phase or something like that.
I dunno if it were me bro and u wanted it to sound wider, id be going in and widening individual channels rather than the master. Precision is the key!
Another cool thing that helped me when I was starting out was for example, visualizing a drum kit as if you were sitting down infront of it. Place (pan) the instruments according to where their position is infront of you. - hi-hat left, snare centre left, crash and ride right, toms in accending order left to right, kick centre, add a little reverb. Then when you hit play it will appear that the drum kit is now in stereo and your sitting right there infront of it! This is just a quick example but it goes to show how panning tricks can really help construct a visual setting for the listener.
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Posted : May 19, 2009 19:18
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Thanks for the listen mate! Glad you enjoyed it 
Yeah it was made in FL8 hehe. |
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Elad
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Posted : May 19, 2009 19:57
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i recomend to have your peak at -3 and even -5 is not too bad
leave much more room for eq.
tho i have INPUT GAIN on my eq so i dont care as long its not over 0db and not too weak (less then -10db) since it will raise alot of floor noize (if you have one at all , working with synths and guitars always got something down to -80db but it doesnt really matter (to me).
i did lose my shit mixer that introdue floor noise around -60db , that way too noisy specialy same noise on 5-6 channels... rediculus.
anyhow the poing is if you going on -20 and floor noise is -70 you just got 50fb of clean sound this why we need it as closer to 0 so the floor noise is far behind , as well reverbs tails and delays works better this way.
for the stereo seperation i would go for individual channels , unless result is exacly the same on all of them i would stay away from the master one.
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Tomos
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Posted : May 19, 2009 20:35
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I have to ask, does it really matter in the digital domain how loud your track is when you export it for mastering? Obviously you don't want to clip it, but if it's INSANELY quiet, can't the ME just turn it up for you?
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 19, 2009 21:02
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Or lazy and safe style is to record as 32 bit float.
Not only does that avoid having to dither or truncate one extra time, but it also means that you will get full resolution even if the level is a bit low and avoid clipping if it's a bit too high....so the mastering engineer can in effect choose how hot the signal will be himself.
If you record as fixed you will choose resolution if you have too much headroom...there is quite a of margin if going down from 24 bit to 16 in the end, but IMO it makes sense to keep everything as float until you reach the final medium to avoid any degradation, however small. (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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PoM
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Posted : May 19, 2009 21:04
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sending the track peaking at - 3 db or at 0 db is the same no? the Me can turn the track fader to -3 db if he want or maybe i m missing something |
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Spindrift
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Posted : May 19, 2009 21:07
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On 2009-05-19 21:04, PoM wrote:
sending the track peaking at - 3 db or at 0 db is the same no? the Me can turn the fader to -3 db if he want or maybe i m missing something
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You might have intersample peaks that you will not notice with most meters.
Also changing levels in a fixed point signal is an extra step of processing....I doubt you will get much of a noticeable difference for such a minute operation, but better safe than sorry I guess.
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