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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 9, 2005 14:37
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i mean OVERALL comp sound of psytrance. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 9, 2005 14:39
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or maybe I should just say, what current trend does the ever evolving psytrance style have from a compressor point of view. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 9, 2005 14:42
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would it b "stealing" 2 know what compression is useful in psytrance? |
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 9, 2005 16:17
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would there b any interest in a forum, where 1 guy makes available for download a sample of a single instrument playing a couple of bars, or a number of instruments for that matter, & some nice advanced chaps take those, apply a requested compressor effect as it is supposed 2 sound & make em available 4 scrutiny?
Im not tryna steal a sound, just tryna get taught the basics of what can b achieved & supposed 2 sound like. Dont wanna copy it, just wan2 save myself the need for consultation wif a studio engineer on what sounds good.
Or if not can sum1 reccomend a good tutorial with samples commercial or not? |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 11, 2005 10:43
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bukboy - if you need to consult an studio engineer on what sounds good then i think you are too serious....maybe a little ridiculous 
decide your self, and make all these experiments your self....
take a drum sample or what ever you want to experiment on and processe it with a compressor....
try differnt ratios
then try different tresholds in combination with ratios.. then move on to different attack and release settings
you will see what happens to the waveform and when you compare to a uncompressed sound or another kind of compression close your eyes and decide with your ears....
compression can be subtle like you say so at this times its often a matter of contrast and context...
ask your self why do i need to use compression here? is it a factor for it....
and secondly read this and ask your self if its a good idea to ask a studio engineer about what sounds good:
http://www.airwindows.com/analysis/Albums/BadCurrentExamples/
you see we are brainwashed with all this compression shit...
Look at the waveforms of a track by Abba and look at a waveform by any commercial pop stuff today and ask your self where the dynamic is?
so... compression is good, but to compress the shit out of things is not always a good idea...
thats why i say, ask your self what needs to be compressed, and what for...
maybe you kill the sound(lets say a lead) with too much compression, take the life out of it... but maybe you cant mix your hihat so loud cause it clash with the peaks from the lead, now if you lower the volume of the lead it will lose its place in the mix, but if you lower the hihat you can get away with it... but you still want the hihat to have some more body..
now maybe you can compress the hihat instead to get more body out of it but with less peaks...
well do your thing, im going to sleep now 
due to a tired person writing i cant be sure what wrote is totaly accurate...
and maybe you are just talking about compression on a whole track..
if the case is so, then its more a question about what kind of character you want the track to have... a touch is often enough!
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 10:36
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Ok. is that what compressors r for, changing the dynamics of individual instruments so that they blend better with other instruments in a mix. Wow! New era scientist U explained it crystal clear thanks, & indeed I agree a compressor would b very effective used that way.
In ur perspective compressors r not actually necessary at all, just used 2 get control over individual sounds so they have more presence in a mix. Amazing thanks.
Hold on ... but what about stuff like bounce do u use it for bounce in a breakbeat say?
& where does the "adding a compressed version of a beat back in2 the mix 2 add thickness" fit in2 this? Do u do stuff like that or is that just brain washing? |
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 10:52
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Hmmm just thinking, how is this unlike reducing dynamics of vocals/guitar?Thats for making performances constant, ur use of compressors is for spectral cleanliness.
Wow dude.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 22:09
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On 2005-09-12 10:36, bukboy wrote:
Ok. is that what compressors r for, changing the dynamics of individual instruments so that they blend better with other instruments in a mix. Wow! New era scientist U explained it crystal clear thanks, & indeed I agree a compressor would b very effective used that way.
In ur perspective compressors r not actually necessary at all, just used 2 get control over individual sounds so they have more presence in a mix. Amazing thanks.
Hold on ... but what about stuff like bounce do u use it for bounce in a breakbeat say?
& where does the "adding a compressed version of a beat back in2 the mix 2 add thickness" fit in2 this? Do u do stuff like that or is that just brain washing?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 12, 2005 22:12
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I did have something to say, but im not in the mood now...
good luck bukboy |
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 13, 2005 10:03
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Ok I SEEEEE!!!!
compressors r for (can b used for rather)( in no particular order)
1. lengthening/shortening instruments with low/high sustain & decay.
2. adding/removing thud & boom 2 bass drums(or thickening 2 any instrument).
3. controlling presence of instruments with high dynamics so that they r more manageable in the mix(limiting as well does this).
4. Adding rythym to mixes.
5. bringing out softer elements in instruments.
But mostly all these effects r used 2 make ur mix sound miraculously better.& indeed I think r very necessary unless u have gr8 synths & samples that already have the dynamics perfectly done.
I see why engineers say that compressors r the sound of dance music these days & why they say nothing changes ur sound like compressors.
I think the difficulty I had with seeing these things was that I was more/less playing around at random, not knowing what 2 listen for.
But now I SEEEE.
Thankyou everyone for ur input.
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 09:59
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 12:13
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awesome. thanks dude
Ok as far as I can see, what uve accomplished is
1. made the snare & hihats louder with respect to the kick, &
2. lengthened the snare.
Am I right?
But from a purely listening point of view it also sounds fuller.
Thanks a lot. this is exactly what I need - examples of what pros do with wimpy tracks 2 make em sound super.
Much appreciated.
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