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Posted : Jun 28, 2004 22:35
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i saw how a powerful kick question led to some people sharing their kicks (bravo!) so does anyone have any tips on getting a good snare hit and also tricks to make good rhythms....and maybe share their samples?
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bandarlog
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Posted : Jun 28, 2004 23:58
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 10:49
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A commonly used trick to get tight, fat snares without compressing the life out of them is using side-chain compression. Here's the trick: create a send effect channel with a compressor in it. Hit the compressor hard, with a ratio of say 10:1 and fast attack and release times. Put an eq on this effect channel, and boost 100 Hz and 10 Khz around 6 dB's. Then increase the amount of snare-signal you feed into this send effect to sneak it in under the original snare sound: et voila ! Le snare le plus cool ! By the way: this trick also works with other sounds.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 29, 2004 20:50
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Jun 30, 2004 10:50
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I'd put the EQ after the compressor, cuz otherwise you'd be compressing the boosts you just applied. Try using a low treshold: -10 dB to -35dB and fiddle with the treshold and ratio a bit until the comp produces a good tone. When solo-ed the compressor may sound kinda weirda, but it can do magic when you blend it in behind the rhythm section. |
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 00:34
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thanks for the tips.....quick question, wts wrong w putting a small reverb on percussion....seems to give me d same effects w-out the headache of eq and compression......will it sound weird played on big systems?
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 01:48
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On 2004-06-29 20:50, Colin OOOD wrote:
Would you put the EQ before or after the compressor? What sort of threshold would the compressor have (assuming a normalised snare at 0dB)?
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there is waves trackplug which combines eq comp. and gate.. u can choose the eq to b before or after the compressor and sometimes i find it nice to b before as much as after.. depends how u use your eq.. worth trying both anyway...
and i'd go tresh: - 4 to -10 (depends how "full" is your snareline.. if its simple 8's then -4 i think is inough.. ratio: 4:1 ..
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alonisim
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Posted : Jul 4, 2004 13:27
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banarlog-thanks for the link, I was just looking for snares.
? some are from 909 and some from?
anyway someone said something abour sharing kicks...?
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 10:47
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in my opinion boosting around 100hz is too low, try boosting around 250hz..
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 13:21
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well boost , whatever sounds right for that "particular" snare sample ... stop giving specfic frequencies .. |
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 14:18
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On 2005-02-01 13:21, WAVELOGIX wrote:
well boost , whatever sounds right for that "particular" snare sample ... stop giving specfic frequencies ..
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Yeah i agree generally, but here i think 100hz is really a bit low for snares 
For compressing i think it is often very useful to use one eq before and one eq after the compressor, so u can cut frequencies u don't want, like low frequencies, before compressing and they will not be compressed and will not affect the compressing and u can get more power of the samples. With the second eq u can then adjust to the mix.
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john_c
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Posted : Feb 1, 2005 20:14
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I think the snare sound needs to sound pretty damn good before you even put a Reverb on it. My advice is that layering is key. But I dont mean just layer any number of claps/snares together. When layering each sound should have its purpose. Try usign a long clap or snare with a lot of character and depth. Then layer in a quick short snare thats very "snappy". This will make your snares extremely better. |
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Yuli
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 02:01
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100hz might not be low, depends on a snare actually, since every snare has the doof that many times in trance music gets cut by the lowcut in an eq and then we get the castrated snare sound.
The boost of the bass frequencies in the snare gives it a lot of body, even if u dont really hear it u FEEL it - suddenly the snare becomes much more precise and effective.
The dude with advice gave a good one!!
And yeah definitely the EQ after the compressor otherwise it looses all meaning especially when taking the threshold real down
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fregle
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 19:56
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it doesn't lose all meaning, if u want to make your snare/whatever sound louder on a specific frequency without making bigger peaks, u use the EQ before the compressor, i do this often on bass, to be able to 'choose' the frequency on which it booms the most.
reverb is a great way to enhance snares imo, compression helps but is not necessary. i use reverb more than compression on snares... layering is also a very good trick indeed. You will want to gate the reverb so it stops at the end of the snare-sample though, cuz u don't really want verb, just the effect it has on the power of ur snare.
another great thread!!!
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 10:14
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As long as you get the sound you're after it's okay isn't it ? And if you understand what you're doing you will get those sounds faster.
I found this text about the order of eq and compression somewhere, maybe it can be of some use to some:
There is no universal answer for this situation (eq before or after compression), because compression can serve different purposes.
Consider this scenario: You've recorded a killer synth bass line with a highly resonant filter sweep. On some notes, the level goes ballistic when a note's frequency coincides with the filter frequency. Otherwise, the signal is well behaved. But you also want to boost the lower midrange a bit to give a beefier sound.
In this case, I'd put the compressor first to trap those rogue transients, then apply EQ. Because the EQ change is minor, it probably won't change the signal's overall amplitude too much.
Now suppose you don't have any problems with overly resonant filters, but you do need a massive lower midrange boost. This much boost could greatly increase the amplitude at some frequencies, so putting compression after the EQ will help even these out a bit.
But there's a complication. Because significant boosts increase level, the compressor will scale those levels back down a bit, thus somewhat negating any boosting for signals that exceed the compression threshold. Signals below the threshold will remain boosted. Therefore, with compression after EQ and a relatively high threshold, the boost will be most apparent on lower-level signals, but become less prominent with higher-level signals. Fortunately, in many cases this may be exactly what you want.
Another reason to place EQ before compression is to make the compression more frequency-sensitive. Suppose you have a "buzzy" digital synth. Cut the highs a bit prior to compression, and the compressor will bring up everything else more readily than the highs. This type of technique isn't quite the same as multiband compression, but gives some of the same results, as there's more "punch" to the boosted frequencies.
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