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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:40
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haha ok ok i get it i get it you didn't like my set it's ooook lol sheesh.
you are the first person i've spoken to that didn't care for it 100% and that is totally cool. 3 decks would of been proper hell even 6. maybe next time..
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:41
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On 2010-06-18 03:35, Axis Mundi wrote:
My main point is that you can still dislike something and even say something about it and even be critical while still showing respect.
It's called treating others as you would have others treat you.
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i cant, not on this forum. I have this almost boogey man like association attached to me. If i say anything about anyone that is other than they kicked ass, crap gets flung at me.
I decided to be actually be a little playful and have fun with it. I didn't call out CinderVomit. Didn't name him at all in my original post, used some clever phrases and descriptions.
For all anyone knew i was talking about Puskara, or Unwashed Tomatoes, or Dragon.
Nope i played nice, while still voicing my displeasure of it
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:43
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hey Vomit, actually, yes we established that. Now its more of a running debate over the ethics of my methodology of my critical nature
BTW, what is a CinderVomit? we were debating this at Gemini.
Is it a volcano reference?
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:46
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Obviously you can't in person either as your reputation far exceeds this forum. 
Boogey men don't just attach themselves, you know!
Either way, I'm still sincerely looking forward to meeting and chatting with you at Equinox. and I still owe you a CD. (Even though you probably will not like it and are sure to be scathing about it via teh internets)
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:59
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actually my name used to be just cinder..and for halloween a few years ago i added VOMIT and that night some crazy shit happened in my esophagus and i started to bleed internally during my set. I stopped playing and went out back and actually thew up blood. I kinda freaked out and went home and then threw up more blood. After that my wife rushed me to the hospital where i then spent the next 3 days in ICU from bleeding so much internally i almost died. So i have used cinderVOMIT ever since, and it means much more to me than just the vulgar act of what vomit is...and sort of takes on a new meaning in the terms of the word.
people wrote music, donated music, and really came to my side all around the world in the trance community and i ended up being able to release a 3 cd free compilation entitled "The Blood". probably not your cup of tea but they have all burned speakers in peoples sets all over the place.
yar.
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hardkornate
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 04:02
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In every line-up, a DJ is given the job of being the darkest, craziest DJ of the night. Genraly, the promoter tells them this and sets an upper limit for the insanity. I'm fairly certain Rich told Dave to take it to the limit and Dave gave it his best effort.
Sounds to me like he fulfilled the mission perfectly.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 04:20
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I like how Paradigm is attacked for providing his honest dislike of a certain slot
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pete
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 04:21
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On 2010-06-18 03:27, Unwashed Tomato wrote:
Hey everybody,
We had an awesome time at this party! Thanks so much to Rich and everyone else who made it happen!
We enjoyed the music the whole weekend, and the mendo blendo did us right!
Andy and Dave
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Don't care. Seriously, why don't you post something on-point, like whether you like Cinder or Paradigm more?
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 04:23
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 04:51
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What I don't understand is why you must be rude Lawrence? I mean really? How hard is to say, the music on Friday night wasn't really my style but I did like ____. It's fine to have an opinion and to enjoy a particular style, its not okay to be a total dick just because your tastes are different. One great thing about our trance culture is that people are different, we accept the weird and strange, so why is it that you want everyone to fit into your ideal little box?
Personally, of your sets I have seen, I thought they were total and utter garbage, I mean just shittier than your personality... but until now I would have never said so on a public forum, and for that matter in person (I have said, "this isn't my style, I'm going to the chill stage"). But today just for kicks I thought I would act like you: rude, aggressive and totally out of line.
And I would like to also say Cinder, I think you have handled the negativity wonderfully, I'm proud to call you a friend and look forward to more respectful behavior from you. Ya sometimes your music is pushy and thats your right as an artist and its the promoters right to book you for your art, not to fit into some ideal of what your art should be.
Finally on my rant, I would like to say that as a whole our community for the last few years has been suffering from some kind of pissing contest, and not only am I deeply saddened by this but it really disgusts me. I mean c'mon! Who cares if the producer/DJ in that moment isn't your taste? Go to another stage, take a hike in the woods or go fuck in your tent... and if the whole event isn't your style then its your fault for attending in the first place.
I mean shit, can't we all just get together, experiment with sounds and visuals we love and have a good time? The rest of society already gives us a hard enough time why do we need to do it to each other?
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Back to the real topic GEMINI!
Rich, I am sorry I missed the last one and a chance to hear about your life as a dad. I am so glad that you had the foresight to book many different types of producers and DJ's, as constant exposure to new and unusual things is what makes our culture wonderful. Deco looked great in the pics! I do hope we get a chance to hang out really soon!
All my love,
Daizee
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 05:26
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On 2010-06-18 02:58, paradigm wrote:
If we blow a phat donkey dick, someone should have the balls to say so.
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Hmm...  This would be a pretty popular bumper sticker. It would sit right between that peeing boy and that curvy babe’s silhouette. Underneath Rush Limbach’s portrait. Special Edition comes with the Confederate Flag as a background. Oh, man, I just realized – the donkey reference makes even “more perfect”! 
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On 2010-06-18 03:00, Axis Mundi wrote:
Given the fact that you are the one who started the poo-flinging to begin with, it's awful great that you've had enough once the poo comes flying back at you.
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Hey, that reminds me of a joke I heard as a child.
Kinda off-topic, but hopefully it won’t get me banned.
This guy is walking down the street, all happy, enjoying his day off. Then he sees something like a vending machine. He stops by. Apparently, this is a Mood Adjustment Machine. He puts his quarter in, a screen lights up and asks him: “How would you rate your mood: very good, good, fair, bad, very bad?” “Very good!” – he answers happily. The screen says: “You need some mood adjustment – step in front of the window” He steps in front of the little window next to the screen. A little spoon comes out and flings a piece of shit in his face. “Oh, man!” All bummed, he continues walking down the street. He sees another machine, stops by, puts a quarter in. The same screen, the same question. “Very bad!” – he answers angrily. The same deal – step in front of the window. All kinds of sponges, soaps and towels come out, clean him up. He is all fresh and smelling nice – life is good again. “How is your mood now?” – the machine asks. “Fair”. “Would you like to improve it?” “Yes” “Step away from the window!” A huge serving spoon full of shit comes out of the window and starts flinging it all over the place at passersby.
By the way, that reminds me, he didn’t really start poo-flinging. I seem to remember it escalated to that, but the original comments were kinda diplomatic, albeit somewhat sneaky. Too lazy to re-read the whole mess though – correct me if I am wrong here.
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 05:38
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@ Cinder, damn man thats some story. If i had a name association thing going on like that, id have changed things up to.
I hope that was something isolated and not something you need to worry about in life.
@Sedousa, say what you like, but as far as i know, you have not ever seen me play, and furthermore, personally, given the unethical nature of how you conduct yourself in scene business, and events your words fall on deaf ears
now.... for the upteenth time... i don't think there is reason to continue. Ive said my part, Cinder has defended himself, others have chimed in and added their 2 cents.
I still have my opinions (and i was not rude btw), and other people have theirs.
This thread should continue on in its intended purpose...
However if anyone wishes to continue to debate or assail me, then i will happily retort
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 05:40
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On 2010-06-18 03:02, FaceHead wrote:
trance dance minus dance is still trance. trance dance minus trance is just dance.
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Oh!
This is another great bumper sticker! 
It won’t be nearly as popular as the one with donkey’s schlong – but this is one I will gladly slap on my car. 
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so i ask you good man are we dancers or trancers that dance?
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We are trancers – and some of us dance.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 05:44
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On 2010-06-18 03:13, paradigm wrote:
none of what is being currently discussed can be said to contain either "synthetic rhythms or complex melodies"
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C’mon...
And what kind of trance does have complex melodies? Ibiza trance is about as melodic as it can get, and even those melodies are ...uh... rather “easily digestible”. And in psy trance, aside from some crazy Suomi, if it has more than 5 notes or, God forbid, changes a chord a couple of times – it’s immediately labeled as cheese (often quite deservedly). And if you are talking about layering a million simple bits – darkpsy does that too. It’s just that their simple bits are less tonal.
It’s rather off-topic but I had to get it out of the system.
Anyway, it seems like this was a great event. I am totally bummed that I missed it. Hopefully, better luck next year, eh.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 06:37
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So...paradigm...let's see if your boogeyman association is a communicable disease, because it seems I am about to defend you...at least a little bit. I am afraid.
There is a lot of discussion about too slow/too fast/too dark/too cheesy etc ad nausea on this forum, and at pretty much every event I've been to in the last 2 years or so. Gemini was a very good example of a diverse event in that it stocked all flavors and varieties of psy, and as such is a fairly good topic for this debate if it can be had sensibly and courteously.
Everyone is jumping on Paradigm's shit for an admittedly overly aggressive and asshole-ish criticism, and I wouldn't choose those words personally...but there is something under all that vitriol that is similar to my opinion about friday nights sets post-dragon. Anyways, yeah everyones jumping on paradigm's shit, but...
<quote cinder>
"I didn't fail at anything, thank you very much. Your region wasn't feeling this music and that's ok. I played a 1400 person party and ALL of them were dancing..so it's all up to the crowd. People ingest crazy drugs (fucking DUH!) and crazy music gets to them easier than 145 fluffy factory music does."
</quote cinder>
I find this attitude disturbing, in a couple of ways. Firstly, I was always of the opinion that the best performances/sets are ones in which the DJ/performer reacts to the crowd and there is a back-and-forth flow of energy (aside: LIVE elements if possible- THANK YOU DISSOLVE). If I was playing a set and it went from 40-50 people down to 7, I would consider myself to have fucked something up..but I wasn't on the floor at that time so I can't say.
Secondly, I wouldn't go around trying to speak about people or BPM ranges in such wide sweeping ways (though in all fairness you were kind of attacked, so some push-back is...normal, though not desired) - you obviously like really fast, really glitchy, really atonal psy way above the 145 BPM range, and that's cool if you like it...but saying that music at the 145 range is fluffy factory music is just as moronic as saying that all 170 bpm is gabber - if you're striving for the intelligent conversation you can't do the same thing you're accusing your attacker of doing.
For me personally, if its above ~150 for more than a couple of hours in the middle of the night, it completely shuts down my trance dance experience and I just go to bed, which is exactly what happened friday night. I was spinning fire, dancing my ass off, REALLY enjoying it until after dragons set...then it was really glitchy, and the (to me) excessive kick rolls/breaks/buildups bored the shit out of me...plus I couldn't dance to it, so I popped in my earplugs and was denied sleep for only a couple of hours while my body shook in tandem to said (to me) annoying music.
But then there's the music that was playing on saturday during the mid-day that I'm sure wasn't above 145 (goa set) and I was tranced out much more than to any dark psy that I've listened to in quite some time - I find the attitude of "ok so If I make the music faster and faster and glitcher and glitchier it MUST mean that people will just get faster and faster and dance crazier and crazier" is being taken up by more and more people...and resulting in a lot of completely shit music thats fast for the sake of fast and not because it has anything to say (not directed toward anyone in this thread, but in general)
Maybe faster music=faster/crazier dance is true for some people, but for me and a lot of other people that 'boundary/breaking point' that you're pushing doesn't push the boundaries of my experience it just breaks and falls to pieces and I go to sleep instead of dancing...and that's not why I go to psy parties.
However, Gemini was also to me a perfect example of the type of dark psy that I really love - still quite fast, still atonal/non-melodic, heavy and deep...but not broken up and glitched out. I made the comment friday night that the music at that timeslot sounded like Amphetamines and Cocaine, whereas the same timeslot saturday night (EPIC AWESOME!) sounded like pure undistilled ACID...as that's how they make me feel. The really fast glitchy shit doesn't sound psychedelic to me, it makes me unnerved, anxious, annoyed...where as the really solid non-broken-to-shreds dark stuff gifts me with dance flow, energy, inspiration...but blah blah to each their own.
I hope that my criticism is not looked upon as poo flinging for the sake of poo flinging, but honest discussion of a subject that I am very involved in and care deeply about.
Keep it saucy.
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