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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 02:58
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oh and @ Gypsy
IM the only guy in this scene who has the balls to call someone on their shit, and not blow self congratulatory sunshine up everyones ass, like everyone else does.
I have never seen anyone on here aside from myself, tell anybody they sucked.
From a outside standpoint, you'd think that we were a collection of the finest edm musicians and dj's to walk the planet.
We are not.
If we blow a phat donkey dick, someone should have the balls to say so.
and because i appear to be the only one here, with said balls, then if that makes me a hater, or someone who is only doing it for the stroke of their own ego
then so be it
and now back to our regularly scheduled program.... 
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:00
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| and to Mr.Mundi, I at least give you credit for giving advance warning to promoters, so at least no one came claim you surprised them by your style. |
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Appreciated, but I'd like to hope that any promoter interested in booking me has at least somewhat of a clue as to what my music is about before they even try to contact me.
Me emphasizing that to them post-contact is just a fail-safe.
I'm certainly no where near famous enough for promoters to be contacting me purely based on the weight of my moniker name.
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| BUT, what we do is referred to as the "Trance Dance Experience" granted its a old school term, but that does that term not denote the principal activity we as trancers are focussing on?
If you are presenting music that is not meant for this application, should you then not represent yourself as a trance act, but something entirely else then? |
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I'm presenting my music... whatever label or application you wish to slap onto it is up to you as an individual.
The so-called "Trance Dance Experience" [dogma] is just one way to enjoy music.
It's not the only way.
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| and back to Mr.Vomit. i think our discussion has run it course. No need to fling anymore mud over the fence at each other. |
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Given the fact that you are the one who started the poo-flinging to begin with, it's awful great that you've had enough once the poo comes flying back at you.
In short, if you can't take it, you shouldn't be dishing it out.
Especially given the nature of what you had to say in the first place, Vomit's response was quite positive, constructive, graceful and professional. He definitely handled it with more grace and professionalism, and farsightedness than I would have, and to me, that deserves a lot more respect than what you had to say. 
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| IM the only guy in this scene who has the balls to call someone on their shit |
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No, you're not.
On that note, though, "calling someone out on their shit" is a whole lot different from publicly dogging someone on an internet forum because I personally don't care for their art.
I can at least respect what they put into it enough to not attempt to damage them as an artist by doing some crap like that. |
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:02
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"BUT, what we do is referred to as the "Trance Dance Experience" granted its a old school term, but that does that term not denote the principal activity we as trancers are focussing on? If you are presenting music that is not meant for this application, should you then not represent yourself as a trance act, but something entirely else then? "
you have a way with words lawrence hehe.
please define to me what the exact best trance experience is like for every person and what is the best means of attaining it. all you just said is if you arent trance to me than dont call yourself trance.
please stop trying to segregate what doesn not fit within your ideal confines.
besides i personally think that trance is the operative word in the frays trance dance experience
trance dance minus dance is still trance. trance dance minus trance is just dance.
so i ask you good man are we dancers or trancers that dance?
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:08
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i can dance in my pants i can dance in my pants *robot*
WARNING: The Reality Master General has determined that Mr. Vomit may significantly alter your reality. Usage of the knowledge provided by Mr. Vomit may be perceived as dangerous and subversive by those in authority. |
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:08
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well, again back at you Axis, put yourself in my shoes.
I am not Wichdokta, but i have, and have had a long running involvement in Gemini. So much so, that last years event was my show.
Now imagine you are at this event, that you have such a role in, and you happen across the main stage at a peak point in the event, to find virtually no one there.
Then as the weekend progresses you here, not just one, or a couple, but dozens of complaints about one set in particular?
Would you not be a bit displeased?
Would you not say something?
I actually thought i was somewhat amusing in my statements such as " a dental office on the 7th level of hell"
also please bear in mind too, that i did not gloss over my own failings this year when it comes to the second room.
No one is immune. Not even myself
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:13
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per wiki
Psychedelic trance or psytrance is a form of electronic music characterized by hypnotic arrangements of synthetic rhythms and complex layered melodies created by high tempo riffs. It first broke out into the mainstream in 1995 as the UK music press began to report on the trend of Goa trance. Since then the genre has grown immensely and now offers much variety in terms of mood, tempo, and style. Some examples include full on, dark, progressive, suomi, psybreaks and psybient.
none of what is being currently discussed can be said to contain either "synthetic rhythms or complex melodies"
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:19
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i would maybe want to die if i based all my efforts and talents of of a textbook definition of how i should proceed creatively so what i was saying earlier is if this really is your clear cut stubborn idea on how things hsould be then i would rather not have a part in it... if in fact the psytrance community all felt this way about the experience anyone who disagreed would be shunned for being unique. so sounds kinda new world order to me...
focking definition itself says dark... and im pretty sure what is fresh and new has not made it to the textbooks yet..
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:20
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"No, you're not.
On that note, though, "calling someone out on their shit" is a whole lot different from publicly dogging someone on an internet forum because I personally don't care for their art. "
so much as Cinder prides himself as a skilled DJ who can play on 3 decks or more...
If i were to play a trainwrecked set of anthemic cheese, and someone said my performance sucked, they would then be insulting my art and not my performance?
Sorry, i don't buy that. In this medium, where art and performance coincide to really be one and the same, you are pretty much saying, that any attempt to critique a poor performance is the same as bashing their art.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:21
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Well, if it were me (and I've been in that position too) I'd take note of it when planning my future events.
I might talk to the person about it (in a mature adult, professional manner) but I certainly wouldn't bitch about the artist "I" booked for "my" event.
I also wouldn't be overdramatic and yell at them and call them names. (How exactly does that fit into the whole "trance dance experience" notion anyway??)
Being self-depreciating also doesn't give you poetic license, either.
Finally, I'm not sure who these "dark artists who can't stand it" were, but I can make an educated guess, and if it's who I think it is (someone whom I've known for over a decade), I'm 100% positive that whatever was said was said in a respectful manner towards Cinder/his set, whether or not he liked it, and either way, isn't cause to come on a forum and douche it up under that banner.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:22
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i think its just shitty of you to say it was a poor performance so ..... as alwayss you are free to say whatever you want but then you arent accepting of whatever flys back from it.
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:27
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:27
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why cant someone say it was a poor performance? If in fact it was?
Does that mean that every performance, no matter good, bad or middle of the road should be hailed as excellent?
I doubt it.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:28
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Hello, wasn't this "your" event?
You're supposed to be a promoter, man.
How would you like it if a promoter booked you, and then yelled into your face and proceeded to talk smack about you on forums afterwards?
Would you want to play for that promoter again? I sure as hell wouldn't.
There's a big difference between being critical and being a douchebag.
In this case, it looks like you've illustrated that difference quite well to the point where me or anyone else commenting on it just seems silly and redundant.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:35
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My main point is that you can still dislike something and even say something about it and even be critical while still showing respect.
It's called treating others as you would have others treat you.
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 18, 2010 03:37
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well, i didn't book Cindervomit, or any other trance this year. I did all the other genres, so that argument doesn't hold water.
If in fact however i did book someone, but did get a set from them that messed up my dancefloor..., and vibe
yeah id be pissed. yeah id say something about it.
In fact friends of mine have done this, and i have given them crap for it.
and not having seen him play before i do not know if this is a accurate statement or not, only he could tell us
but according to others who have seen him before, it was said, that this set pushed things harder than is his norm
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