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Ascension
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:21
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On 2010-06-17 22:09, paradigm wrote:
question for the gallery...
Is it not the goal of a DJ or producer to make people dance?
Is that what we should all strive for?
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no, to me there is no duty involved being a producer or dj is something you do voluntarily because you love it you have not been elected therefore you have no duties if the apex of the experience that you want to create is a dance riot than that is what YOU choose to do as a musician or DJ... however if others are trying to create a more internally based experince that explores different possibilites without dance as the focus who is anyone to say that is not the right way to be an artist
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I agree with you here, but if you are trying to create a experience at a "rave" or "festival" without dance being the focus go play chill out.
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there is more to experience than dance or chillout its like binary on off 01 01 01 1010011 dance til you need to chill chill til you need to dance... what about EVERYTHING ELSE?
but aside from that how does anyone know if a dancefloor will explode or if it will fizzle... you mean to tell me that youve never played the same track twice once getting an uproarious reaction then the next time getting a kinda dull one? why keep doing what works when we could be trying to figure out what works better |
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Jeto
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:21
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:22
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On 2010-06-17 22:15, FaceHead wrote:
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On 2010-06-17 22:09, paradigm wrote:
question for the gallery...
Is it not the goal of a DJ or producer to make people dance?
Is that what we should all strive for?
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no, to me there is no duty involved being a producer or dj is something you do voluntarily because you love it you have not been elected therefore you have no duties if the apex of the experience that you want to create is a dance riot than that is what YOU choose to do as a musician or DJ... however if others are trying to create a more internally based experince that explores different possibilites without dance as the focus who is anyone to say that is not the right way to be an artist.
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then why play for others then? Why not just create music in studio, and put it out on the medium of your choice for those who choose to or not to partake in it.
If your personal goal is to not stimulate others with your performance, is performing then not just a selfish act to satisfy your own ego?
Logical Light Music - SF
Straylight Productions -SF
Sound/Mind - Denver
Xcience - Midwest
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:22
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I didn't fail at anything, thank you very much. Your region wasn't feeling this music and that's ok. I played a 1400 person party and ALL of them were dancing..so it's all up to the crowd. People ingest crazy drugs (fucking DUH!) and crazy music gets to them easier than 145 fluffy factory music does.
Dragon and the tomatoes did a STELLAR job warming the place up and I believe that puskara and I dropped it out PROPER. We make ALTERNATIVE dance music. Thanks for the opinions though, i value them all 
I play what i play, your 7 dancers loved what I was doing. Some people dance to music that is 4/4 just because it's 4/4. Hell i do, people just want to stomp.
IMO Dance music is PERSPECTIVE. *edit waste of time*
WICHDOKTA THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING. You were very respectful and responsive to my music and even said you wanted EVERYTHING from the SUPER CHEESE TO EXTREME. Concept manifested.
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Meta
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:23
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On 2010-06-17 21:12, FaceHead wrote:
my favorite review ive heard lately from anyone was
from byron in portland in reference to another party...
"The only part of the party that I did not like was that my friends who like dark psy complained about the other stuff until it came on, and then once it came on, all my non-dark psy friends complained about that. "
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Errr... well... that's happened at every outdoor party i've been to for the last 7 years... unfortunately.
The spectrum of what counts as pstrance just seems to be getting wider and wider and apparently that isn't going away. Oh well. I'm just glad we can all still hang out...
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:25
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As a producer, my goal is to perform the music I created in as unique and live a fashion as possible.
Personally, my music isn't entirely for dancing. Some of it's just for the head. I make sure promoters are aware of this when they book me, and as an audience member it's your responsibility to do your homework and research me if you're unfamiliar with my music.
The tools to do this are always readily available for a long time before the actual show, so it's entirely your choice whether you do this or not. But if you don't, then you have no excuse for bitching and no room to complain if what you hear doesn't suit your individual taste.
P.S. It's still possible to enjoy music without dancing. Many people who attend parties are not dancers, yet still have as equal a capacity to appreciate (or not) the music.
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:25
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oh and the stage and the naked ppl tapestries, the string art, the visuals, the sound...TOP SHELF!!
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:27
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@ paradigm i eat egos like mine for breakfast.
If your personal goal is to not stimulate others with your performance, is performing then not just a selfish act to satisfy your own ego?
no it is not. to me beleiving that i am somehow capable of and obligated to change other peoples lives through my music adds this authoritative intent. the intent driven by my ego to make me think im somehow above the ones who havent heard yet and here to lift them up with ME with the music I chose and played right at the right time...seems very much more me oriented. so to me playing what you love is the only way its not selfish because if people also love what you do they will ask you to come play it. and we will all relish in some of the parts of some of the tracks i play but not all and i know ones will hate it and ones will love it no matter how hard i cater... if not at least i dont spend the entire night trying to formulate a proper middle ground based of of demographic observations of the trancefloor as one mass and since you can only please some of the mass may as well go for the majority which will in term give your ego a lovely back pat when it sees how many people enjoy what you played for them. whats egotistical about playing what you beleive to be music even though you know you will have to deal with the intense mental onslaught that comes when everyone leaves the dancefloor when you show up. so perhaps the ego has been misplaced in this equation
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:32
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actually Mr. Vomit i would have loved to have met you. You did not introduce yourself to me at any point.
I in fact would have loved to talk to you on saturday afternoon.
and per our PM conversations, i actually made a point to get out of bed to come and see what you were up to.
I can not say i am aware of you doing the same.
and to say the region wasnt feeling the music i think is pretty funny. This is Goa Gil's home turf. More people than most anywhere else are into the harder dark stuff around Nor.Cal.
95% of the producers in the US that make it, live in that neck of the woods.
People are far more prepared and intune for it here, than a good many other places i would say...
and btw.. this is not against a style of music
the Tomatoes rocked. I like what they do, as even tho it is full power and a bit fast for my taste it is well done and creative. Even a bit playful.
Logical Light Music - SF
Straylight Productions -SF
Sound/Mind - Denver
Xcience - Midwest
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paradigm
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:34
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"P.S. It's still possible to enjoy music without dancing. Many people who attend parties are not dancers, yet still have as equal a capacity to appreciate (or not) the music."
i really don't buy this statement at all
Logical Light Music - SF
Straylight Productions -SF
Sound/Mind - Denver
Xcience - Midwest
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http://www.thehothouse.net/straylight/paradigm/index.htm
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:36
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I was there your whole set Lawrence  not bad at all either, coming from somebody who plays music like i do i actually enjoyed what you were playing. Thanks for coming down and listening to what i was playing.
And even though you may find it funny that it's goa gils home turf, this doesn't make your event a goa gil patron friendly event, if there is such a thing. If that was the case the floor would have been empty most of the festival and full friday night wouldn't it?
I agree with you 100% that this isn't dance music for everybody, but it isn't made for everybody. Hell i don't even refer to it as music most of the time, it's all about the EXPERIENCE right?
I got nothing but positive feedback all weekend from dj's dancers promoters and prolly a couple hells angels lol.
It made me feel good to hear comments like "Best 170+ set i've ever heard" "EPIC" "insane music, something like i've never heard before" etc etc etc
i'll take both the negative and the positive, roll it up and SMOKE IT.
boom.
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:40
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heh if you wanna holler in real time give me a shout via msn
cinderATL@hotmail.com
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Axis Mundi
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On 2010-06-17 22:34, paradigm wrote:
"P.S. It's still possible to enjoy music without dancing. Many people who attend parties are not dancers, yet still have as equal a capacity to appreciate (or not) the music."
i really don't buy this statement at all
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That's your choice, but I am saying that because I happen to be one of those non-dancing trance lovers. More often than not, I'm sitting somewhere near a speaker with my eyes closed and my head nodding to the beat.
So I'm not selling it.
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DemonoidPhenomenon
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Posted : Jun 17, 2010 22:41
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On 2010-06-17 22:22, cinderVOMIT wrote:
I played a 1400 person party and ALL of them were dancing..so it's all up to the crowd. People ingest crazy drugs (fucking DUH!)
I play what i play, your 7 dancers loved what I was doing. Some people dance to music that is 4/4 just because it's 4/4. Hell i do, people just want to stomp.
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Darkpsy or chaospsy, is very different in a way that you don't really need to dance to it to enjoy it!
a lot of times i just sit in the tent during dark sets not because i don't enjoy it, but because i am enjoying it so 7 people on the dancefloor doesn't really say anything about the music...
peace to you and peace to me. |
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