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Poll: Psychedelic Singing
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YANTRA
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Posted : May 30, 2005 18:56
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There is also gms - goa n mad , this is exactly what i call KILLER vocal -> K-I-L-L-E-R.
I also thing gms vs wrecked machined - round and round has a fantastic part that bansi starts singing something like "this is the sound thats is running through my braaaaain... round and round round round round etc..."
Now u tell me that this is not creative???
There are other good ones, like dali and bizzare and ultravoice - inner soul. Heya is great too!
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piXan
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Posted : May 30, 2005 19:29
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i like trance in the beggining cause it had no vocals and that was more psychedelic at the time... Now i think that vocals is another resource that if it done in a creative way ,, can be a lot more effective than stealing a vocal sample from movies (which is not very creative at all, but no one coplains about that now). it it absolutely valid to record vocals for trance music, and im referring way back to other types of trance music, (like shamanic trance music and tribal trance music), taht also involve the use of vocals to induce trance. Using it is not necesarelly selling out, like some people here have expresed, it all depends of how well it is achived, and what are u trying to express. trance music is meant to have no boundaries, in all temrms. Expression doesnt know rules.
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thockin
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Posted : May 30, 2005 21:44
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On 2005-05-29 03:10, NikC wrote:
What do you think of singing in psytrance?
Good - Bad - Ugly?
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I *hate* singing in trance. It totally ruins the music. Absolutely DETEST it. I will not buy albums with singing on them.
IM's Converting Vegetarians Disc 2 was ok, cuz it's not trance. Disc1 was about as much singing as I could handle. |
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 10:34
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Singing is language, language is communication. People have been singing over music forever, the human voice is the perennial instrument. I'm not really a genre oriented person to begin with, so I love singing over just about anything, I love any music or piece which tries to resynthesize or hybridize pre-existing forms of music with others in order to create a new effect. I strive to do this in my own music, and I have absolutely no ill will toward others who do so. In fact, wordless trance tends to BORE me unless it is really innovative in its sound textures. Because, let's be realistic, what is TRULY superlative about trance in comparison to more tried forms of music like jazz? There is no spoken language, there is no harmony, there are few, if any, melodies or improvisations. Most trance is just redundant tracks taking advantage of the same redundant psycho- acoustic entrainment effects, over and over, and so if the textural innovation isn't there (like fuckin XDREEAAAMMM heheh), then the music is just plain trite, more so than dropping a vocal over top of it could EVER make it IMO.
And I think a lot of people shy away from singing because they are scared of such intimate expression. If you dislike vocals, please don't let this be the reason. |
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Honguito
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 11:44
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Nah, the singing parts in Ra He Ya and I.M stuff don't appeal me much at all. But I definately think that vocalsinging can sound very good in some songs, as in "smoked glass and chrome" and... humm.. can't recall more songs at this moment. I slept to few hours tonight... |
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mubali
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 21:34
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Personally, I began enjoying music without vocals because for me, the words detract from the emotions and the feelings of the music itself. I can get the feel of a song from the music itself, rather than some person wailing away over the top of it. If I were into people singing over electronic music, I'd be listening to Aqua.
Even most industrial music doesn't do it for me. I don't mind if the human voice is used as an instrument and you cannot tell what they are saying...
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gattomatto
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Posted : Jun 1, 2005 23:50
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I would rather have my trance without vocals. There are occassions where the words are pretty cool but generally not. I like the vocals in dubmention but could also do without them. I think the vocals in ra-heya are actually pretty painful. The great thing about music with no vocals is that it allows you to visualize / think / feel whatever you like, there is so much freedom in it. As soon as you add lyrics to the music then you are affected by those words, those ideas and it changes your experience. The movie / radio / brief vocal samples you hear in trance I tend to like a lot... You just add some brief little bit of information for the listener to digest for a short time or maybe it does shape their psyche for the rest of the track or something, but they are not bombarded with words the whole time which keeps them in the mental state instead of beyond the mind, losing theirselves in the sounds... I like a lot of the beats and even some artists' voices I hear in some hip hop and rap music but the lyrics drive me insane and I can't listen to it. I don't want trance to be the same way... I also don't want to be going to a trance party and be forced to listen to really cheesy shit, which you know is going to happen one day if vocals start to become more popular, even if in the beginning they are somewhat tasteful. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 00:31
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i like chants in trance music!
like in tribal music, or gregorian chants!
Vocals can be nice! but i would want a text over a trance track..
like "lets fly away over the mountains, you and i, our love is so high"
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 01:26
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"Vocals can be nice! but i wouldn´t want a text over a trance track..
like "lets fly away over the mountains, you and i, our love is so high"
hehe"
of course i meant wouldnt |
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br0d
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 08:46
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See, here's the secret--samples are cheesier than vocals. The artist just nabbed them from pop culture.
And I would rather hear some dood (or chick) just fucking going off about something that matters to him, than just another eurotrance chick trying to sound sexy, god that is one aspect of trance that annoys the shit out of me. The exploitation of women in trance is annoying. |
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gattomatto
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 09:26
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On 2005-06-02 08:46, br0d wrote:
See, here's the secret--samples are cheesier than vocals. The artist just nabbed them from pop culture.
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Gotta disagree there... The vocals may or may not be cheesy, it's not a given that they are. Same with the samples. It might be tacky or overused but it isn't necessarily. But hey at least you're only forced to listen to 10 seconds of tackiness rather than the whole track or a good part of the track. Yes most of the samples are grabbed from pop culture sources but that doesn't *really* make them pop culture references. The samples are taken for a specific underlying meaning that goes actually sometimes quite deep. That's the thought it instill into you. It's more like poetry or maybe even psychic messaging in that respect. You can't really *sing* something like "they've gotten into my mind I can't tell what's real", see what I mean?
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NikC
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Posted : Jun 2, 2005 16:02
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On 2005-06-01 21:34, mubali wrote:
Personally, I began enjoying music without vocals because for me, the words detract from the emotions and the feelings of the music itself.
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This is practically my opinion...
I feel that either one (vocals or music) detracts from the other...
If you have a beautiful voice, let it be over music with less substance than psytrance, if you want to listen to the voice make the background music simple chord progressions without the detail that goes into Psy(imo)...
Same with the opposite, if you have a track that is complex, with its own underlying story; i feel that the vocal takes away from the beauty and depth of the underlying music..
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e-motion
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Posted : Jun 7, 2005 20:52
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if done well psysinging rocks... but it's really hard to do it well... check dali - love of my life... this singing and the guitars rhythm to this 2004 killer.
another from dali is colours (known as color band) which is good in the late evening finale of a party.
now what i call KILLER track is astrix ft michele adamson - closer to heaven. altough it is comercial the lead after michele's singing is amazing making your forget it's pop like... also the singing is a great build up for the lead. this song MUST be heard live to feel it's power. (i heard eskimo playing it in a DJ set...) |
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NK
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Posted : Jun 8, 2005 12:55
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hello ppl...
for e-motion: i think the Dali Vocals its not good...
If anyone producer add vocals like this, the music going for bad way...
i hope u understand what i mean 
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