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Posted : Jun 11, 2012 15:18:09
Hi, this is the new track I´m working on, wich also gonna be part of my debut album. Of course, work in progress and still lot´s of things to do, but this is the main idea.
Would like very much to hear your thoughts, critics, whatever!! You guys are the best and will help to make a killer album! Cheers
I ask you please to download the WAV file and listen on your monitors, always good to check our tracks on other people´s studios!
klippel
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Posted : Jun 14, 2012 11:41
hey mate,
i really like the flow of your music, groovy and laid back! but soundwise i checked more of your tracks and downloaded the wav as recommended. my impression is that overall your sound is thin and somewhat metallic. most synths sound very highpassed or well thin.. maybe you have problems with your monitors? do you use a second reference for your music, like headphones or second pair of speakers? there is definitely a lot of high end in your mix and you might want to check that to get a full and consinsten sound stage without harshness..
anyway: keep on making groovy stuff http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel "I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons
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Posted : Jun 15, 2012 02:49
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On 2012-06-14 11:41, klippel wrote:
hey mate,
i really like the flow of your music, groovy and laid back! but soundwise i checked more of your tracks and downloaded the wav as recommended. my impression is that overall your sound is thin and somewhat metallic. most synths sound very highpassed or well thin.. maybe you have problems with your monitors? do you use a second reference for your music, like headphones or second pair of speakers? there is definitely a lot of high end in your mix and you might want to check that to get a full and consinsten sound stage without harshness..
anyway: keep on making groovy stuff
Hi mate! Thx a lot for listening!
That's great advice, you know, I'm heavy handed on the EQ side lol... I know when it comes to EQ, the best is to cut instead of boost, but I can't help myself sometimes heh!
I have a pair of JBL's LSR2328P for monitoring, and I also check in my Sennhiser HD25 headphones, I didn't think it was too harsh on the high end, but maybe I'm becoming deaf?
But I get you, I think I shouldn't have EQd the master file, cause the mix was already EQ, and I always have this paranoia of sticking a EQ on the master channel and boosting the lows and highs a bit more heh.
I will open the project again and bounce it without EQ on the master, so you can have a listen again and tell me what you think.
As for the sound being metallic, dunno, I really don't get those adjectives describing the sounds, you know? For instance, for me it sound organic.
I'm really glad you enjoyed the tune,and yes, they are supposed to be "laid back", my purpose is to make those really trippy, slow prog trance, to play on the afternoons, end of parties .
Also, for the synth sounds being "thin", it's due to the fact that they were synthesized using a Band Pass Filter, and the PAD was high passed and it's low on volume, I think Im gonna make it louder. I also always low cut the master files at 45Hz. The bassline was also made using the 12Db low pass filter, I'm gonna remake it using the 24Db when I get it again. I tend to not make the synth sounds with a lot of frequency content cause I don't want any clashes when I start adding more stuff, want them to be clear.
Anyways, when I have the new file ready I'll send you via PM.
Best regards.
klippel
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Posted : Jun 15, 2012 08:06
hey again,
take it from me, as i went through the same period: less is more. in the beginning one uses waaaay too much plugins and fucks up the sound more than it helps. do not highpass all your sounds, and please do not use a highpass on your master at 45hz! thats REALLY high! if you have clean sources you do not need to cut or leave it to the mastering engineer.
you make slow trance that should ( i guess) sound organic. slow means you have more space for each sound, that means you need less cutting than for fast music. leave room to your bass.. make it deep and groovy. then when you add a sound, just play it with the bass and see if it clashes. if it does interfere with the bass, use a shelve (less harsh than highpass) or a highpass, but only as much as you need. cutting things too much will result in a thin and unnatural sound.
what i can only recommend is doing that:
get this track in full quality, insert into your daw. listen to it (or another reference you have or like, but the link above these guys really know what they are doing) on you listening environement and check really thoroughly how each element sounds! opens up so much you understanding of what to do and not to do!
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Posted : Jun 17, 2012 13:33
nice track, it seems to suit this very sunny chilled out sunday morning i do agree with kippel on the sound tho, he has given great advice. but all in all, great vibe and great listening.
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Posted : Jun 17, 2012 15:53
sounding good, like the laid back feel, slow tempo, and ethereal background sounds.
agree that the high end is a bit much, maybe try to tame all the tracks that don't need much with EQ or a LPF?
for me the biggest problem were the inter sample peaks. every time the snare comes in you've got inter sample peaks of 2dB or more over digital zero. this is gonna throw cheaper DACs into distortion and just add harshness to the already full on high end. maybe try engaging the oversampling mode on your limiter, if it has one? it should put a stop to that.
i'd also like a little more variation throughout the track too. you could definitely spend some more time on the arrangement before releasing it.
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Posted : Jun 18, 2012 01:35
klippel, cometshell and Babaluma:
Thx a lot for listening and the kind comments!
Well, today I've spent the whole afternoon working on it, started messing with the arrangement, added some percussion and new sounds! I follow your advices and reduced the high end boost (on master channel and synths), I think it's sounding better now, even became louder!
I have just replaced the file in soundcloud, if you guys care to download it again, otherwise just listen straight from soundcloud.
It's nowhere near completion yet, but we are getting somewhere!
@babaluma:
I use Ableton's limiter, wich tames some peaks nicely. I messed with the snare today, dunno If I solved this issue or made it worst, but the snare is definetely louder now... Anyways, I'm glad you enjoyed the track, today I worked more on it, still miles to go but it's sounding better in my opinion! I still have to work more on the pads and drones, today I started experimenting with two new delay plugins, I think I overused them in the pads, not sounding the way I want yet, still need to experiment more.
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klippel
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Posted : Jun 19, 2012 12:24
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On 2012-06-18 15:40, Babaluma wrote:
yep, new version definitely sounds better, more variation, nice percussion, and you have less ISPs too! definitely looking forward to hearing it finished!
+ 1 ! keep us posted on this
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel "I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons
in the beginning one uses waaaay too much plugins and fucks up the sound more than it helps. do not highpass all your sounds, and please do not use a highpass on your master at 45hz! thats REALLY high! if you have clean sources you do not need to cut or leave it to the mastering engineer.
