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Adharaguy
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Posted : May 27, 2008 19:53:25
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 28, 2008 00:35
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The bass+kick sample sounds very bad in sound quality. I thought it was a 96kbps-22050hz low quality stereo mp3 file. But it is a wav. And there is a sound that plays along with the bass in the first series of notes, but when the bass changes to the next notes, it diassapears and reappears a little before the end of the loop. It sounds more like some kind of noise or ringing to me.
The mp3 sounds a lot better. Clearer at least. I'll comment on the musicality and mixing. Not much to say about the musicality since there are not enough musical elements.
About the mixing i think that the highs are to high and quite "loose". The crash hit all the time is from annoying to disturbing. I'd like the kick-bass louder, fuller and with more presence. And i miss the middle range too.
I'm not familiar with psy-trance at all and i don't know if there are certain "ways" on how it should sound or be mixed. My mixing comment is exactly what i heard and what i'd have said regardless the style, in any other case.
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Adharaguy
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Posted : May 28, 2008 01:28
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Thanks for input. That is what i wanna ear.
That ring that ears i thing is about alot of eq i thing.about the quality of mp3 maybe is my bad work with the synths or just the fact that i dont have audiocard(i dont now if that matter in this subject). Any tips to improved???
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 28, 2008 02:32
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Adharaguy, i honestly lost you here.
The mp3 sounds like a wav, and the wav sounds like a mp3. That's strange and another thing.
The quality of your mixing on the mp3 has nothing to do with the soundcard itself in your case(be it even the on-board sound chip) and the synths do matter a lot in the overall mix, but there are other bigger issues at first in your mix.
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0hz
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Posted : May 28, 2008 05:43
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the bass has to much sub, and the eq is all wrong, it doesnt sound natural.
what monitors you mixing with? |
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icedice
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Posted : May 28, 2008 11:47
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Hmm.... IMO you shuld give the kick and bass more punch. It lacks high frequencies.
Here i made an example of what i think is a bassline whith a nice punch, but i'm kind of noob so what do I know...
http://download.yousendit.com/7B51AB7C34172F05 |
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Adharaguy
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Posted : May 28, 2008 15:37
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I'm mixing with mackie hr 824 but i don't now him well because i have it in last month. Relatived with bass, yes is dont sound natural i have used 3 wavesq10 eq. I thing is to much, because when im starting cut in one freq (cirurgical cuts)to take of one noise, other appears, and when i cut that noise, others came to front.(im lost).
In the mixing i dont put the middle highs and highs frequencies so high, but when i compared with other tracks the feeling i have is that my synths are too low, and i have thinking that problem can be resolved put that with more gain(wrong way.... i now that now with yours comments).Maybe that is a question about bad eq or the tracks gain that power i middle and high with mastering.!!!
And Alex what other bigger issues are missing.
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Adharaguy
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Posted : May 28, 2008 15:57
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And about bass eq i use tau pro and i can get yet the timbre i wan't to the bass and then i have tried to correct with eq.
Is the wrong way.
Not problem, just try again.
You guys when eq the bass you uses alot of eq or just a litte, to correct little things. I'm sorry about the confusion, but this is a confusion thing isn't it. |
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 28, 2008 19:41
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The bigger issues i'm talking is the frequency balance of your mix. As i said, i don't hear any mid range and the lows are weak.
But maybe the problem especially for the lows could easily be your HR824. They are known to have overhyped bass response which coupled probably with the lack or proper acoustic treatment in your room and the fact that you don't know them yet well, means that when you mix you hear a lot of low frequencies and you remove/lower the volume on them, until they sound ok in your room. But then the mix won't sound good anywhere else but in your room.
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vegetal
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Posted : May 28, 2008 20:30
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On 2008-05-28 19:41, Alex Roudos wrote:
But maybe the problem especially for the lows could easily be your HR824. They are known to have overhyped bass response which coupled probably with the lack or proper acoustic treatment
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HAhah im the total opposite i have way to much bass in my mixes so i have to lower it. I think im addicted to bass, hey alex do you have some antidote? 
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Adharaguy
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Posted : May 28, 2008 22:33
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Medea
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Posted : May 28, 2008 22:50
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Adharaguy//
Try to achieve the best you can at the source. It's possible to make a decent bass without any EQ or compression, using Albino, Trilogy, Surge and other VSTi's. Try G-Sonique Alien303, a nice plug to start with.
Also, if you are not sure in your monitors, use spectrum analyzers (Pinguin AudioMeter is one of the best imo), and compare your sound with released tracks.
Your bass sample (without eq, comp etc.) has some strange hi frequency artifacts, why not remove them at the stage of tweaking the synth?
The trick to get the good sound is to use as few plug-ins as possible 
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Adharaguy
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Posted : May 28, 2008 23:28
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : May 29, 2008 00:43
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On 2008-05-28 19:41, Alex Roudos wrote:
But maybe the problem especially for the lows could easily be your HR824. They are known to have overhyped bass response which coupled probably with the lack or proper acoustic treatment
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HAhah im the total opposite i have way to much bass in my mixes so i have to lower it. I think im addicted to bass, hey alex do you have some antidote?
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You bet i have.
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OpenSourceCode
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Posted : May 30, 2008 05:39
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to solve bass addiction, put a multiband compresser on the mix and compress the low end jus a little bitmore than you think you should. that works for me, cause my wharfedales don't have nearly enough bass and i always turn it up too much |
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