| Author
|
Playing electronic music "LIVE"
|
Bar Mitzwa
Inactive User
Started Topics :
10
Posts :
172
Posted : Sep 26, 2011 17:36
|
Quote:
|
On 2002-08-15 18:35, Vibe Tribe wrote:
Actualy i dont understand the thing about "live" this is kinda stupid.. i saw ones a video of infected mushrrom's live, and they just run the track from Wave lab on the lap top and add it some fx with nord lead or juno 106 etc.....etc........ i think this is only a show.... what the difrense if i run the track from cd and not laptop and add it some fx with some synth?????/
|
|
yeah i saw you make a live set!
damn man you made a fat show with this one knob!!!
how do you do it!?!!?!?
just one knob and such a fat live act!?!?
<3 saw didrapest last time doing the same thing...
whats your trick in israel? 
cum on tell me  |
|
|
mudpeople
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
113
Posts :
1785
Posted : Oct 7, 2011 12:57
|
Im gonna be weird and make a serious post.
I wrote up an outline of my (for lack of more accurate terms) live setup, not a tutorial- i dont explain how i play it or route MIDI or anything really, its just basically a diagram of one possible way to play real-time arranged/tweaked/triggered electronic music with an improvisational focus, minimal prearrangement, intuitively controlled with as little computer-keyboard/mouse-touching as possible, with as much realtime synthesized sound as possible, with as much flexibility and variety to play interesting enough sounds to be entertaining enough to dance to and enjoy.
http://www.mudpeople.lsdxm.com/mudliveoutline.pdf
I can only speculate how stupefyingly boring it would be to pretend, given the choice between standing there waiting for the playback to finish, and having a great time playing something that not only sounds cool, surprises with unexpectedly interesting atmospheres that seem almost to bubble up by themselves like auditory hypnagogia...
Anyway, Id really have to try harder than I care to to pretend, doing it for real means I dont have to try at all. Pretending seems like it requires dishonest intent (which at least Eskimo isnt guilty of), laziness, and something of an elitist attitude looking at the dancefloor as too stupid to care if they hear the same tracks every time. Which to me, goes completely against every reason I make and play music. Chiefly my reason is because I have tons of fun
My live set is based on the ideals of maximal synthesis, minimal prearrangement, maximal real-time control, maximal variety of sounds with minimal chance to hear the same combination of sounds again in future sets, with maximal FUN!
 . |
|
|
|
Cannabis
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
26
Posts :
246
Posted : Oct 8, 2011 18:59
|
Playing back finished tracks via Abelton, Cubase, CD Player, multitrack recorder etc IS NOT LIVE ACT. IT IS DEAD ACT!
Realtime composing using samples, synths, acoustic instruments( with or without a PC) is LIVE ACT in EM.
HOWEVER, it IS more satisfying to listen to FINISHED and MASTERED Tracks, due to sheer quality and better pre-arrangement.
SAD Truth.. hehe
------------------------------------------------- |
|
|
|
faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
Started Topics :
282
Posts :
3394
Posted : Oct 11, 2011 04:44
|
Quote:
|
On 2011-10-08 18:59, Cannabis wrote:
Playing back finished tracks via Abelton, Cubase, CD Player, multitrack recorder etc IS NOT LIVE ACT. IT IS DEAD ACT!
Realtime composing using samples, synths, acoustic instruments( with or without a PC) is LIVE ACT in EM.
HOWEVER, it IS more satisfying to listen to FINISHED and MASTERED Tracks, due to sheer quality and better pre-arrangement.
SAD Truth.. hehe
|
|
+1, agreed. i have been wresteling with this since finishing the album, basivally spending two months with mix programs and various tools, and came to the conclusion that what i really want people to hear is my finished mastered track from a nice cd deck, not a one man psuedo "live" show with stuff coming out of the shit D/A on some m-audio or ni card, unmastered. just so i can say i tweaked the cutoff???
if i was 2-3 people, maybe.... i would love to see colin and oood in a live situation, what they pull off, could be nice. but one guy, like me who comes from a production background? if i was any good as a performer, i would play the violin or something in an orchestra - that is not my skill, my craft is making music in the studio, that is what scored the gig in the first place, those studio productions, this isn't like mtv unplugged!
this summer i saw tim shuldt with his guitar.. no pun to him respect his music but wtf? its not like he was doing slash solos, just laying some metalish distorted chords here and there, almost making the speakers explode. it just looked silly and sounded off to me, i kept thinking what for? just play the damn tunes, do some dali-like weird little things with your hands, let your energy flow to your crowd and blast the best tunes you can! this is your job as the dj/act in a psy event, rock the crowd! i couldn't give a fuck that you know how to tweek your microkorg's cutoff, we all know how to do that geeeesh.
so... what CAN i and people like me do the way i see it?
make every set unique, play unqiue stuff from you people don't know like unrl and such, mess with your tunes bpms a bit, work so every set is a new experiance a new story for a new crowd, diverse within yourself. stuff like that, what a good dj does, only with the focus on your tunes.
sometimes simple is the perfect solution to a complicated dilema.
The Way Back
https://faxinadu.bandcamp.com/album/the-way-back |
|
|
|
Equilizyme
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
19
Posts :
593
Posted : Oct 11, 2011 06:01
|
|
faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
Started Topics :
282
Posts :
3394
Posted : Oct 11, 2011 06:02
|
+ just read your pdf muddpeople, good read and ideas for sure, but still, it is very simplistic, i don't see this working in a functional way for non-minimal music.
+ tom is cool and he has his thing going for sure, but again, this is very very basic stuff music-wise, and built around simple loop triggering, and the music sounds like it too. no escaping it.
i am yet to be convinced not that it CAN technically be done, cause yes tom is doing it and muddpeople here showed some methods for doing it, so it can be done yes, but does it sound good at the end of the day? have any of you heard a one man trance live that sounds as good as studio stuff? i am not being cynical, asking for real.
The Way Back
https://faxinadu.bandcamp.com/album/the-way-back |
|
|
|
Jaadoo
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
12
Posts :
145
Posted : Oct 13, 2011 02:00
|
|
willsanquil
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
93
Posts :
2822
Posted : Oct 13, 2011 13:48
|
Quote:
|
On 2011-10-11 04:44, faxinadu wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2011-10-08 18:59, Cannabis wrote:
Playing back finished tracks via Abelton, Cubase, CD Player, multitrack recorder etc IS NOT LIVE ACT. IT IS DEAD ACT!
Realtime composing using samples, synths, acoustic instruments( with or without a PC) is LIVE ACT in EM.
HOWEVER, it IS more satisfying to listen to FINISHED and MASTERED Tracks, due to sheer quality and better pre-arrangement.
SAD Truth.. hehe
|
|
+1, agreed. i have been wresteling with this since finishing the album, basivally spending two months with mix programs and various tools, and came to the conclusion that what i really want people to hear is my finished mastered track from a nice cd deck, not a one man psuedo "live" show with stuff coming out of the shit D/A on some m-audio or ni card, unmastered. just so i can say i tweaked the cutoff???
if i was 2-3 people, maybe.... i would love to see colin and oood in a live situation, what they pull off, could be nice. but one guy, like me who comes from a production background? if i was any good as a performer, i would play the violin or something in an orchestra - that is not my skill, my craft is making music in the studio, that is what scored the gig in the first place, those studio productions, this isn't like mtv unplugged!
this summer i saw tim shuldt with his guitar.. no pun to him respect his music but wtf? its not like he was doing slash solos, just laying some metalish distorted chords here and there, almost making the speakers explode. it just looked silly and sounded off to me, i kept thinking what for? just play the damn tunes, do some dali-like weird little things with your hands, let your energy flow to your crowd and blast the best tunes you can! this is your job as the dj/act in a psy event, rock the crowd! i couldn't give a fuck that you know how to tweek your microkorg's cutoff, we all know how to do that geeeesh.
so... what CAN i and people like me do the way i see it?
make every set unique, play unqiue stuff from you people don't know like unrl and such, mess with your tunes bpms a bit, work so every set is a new experiance a new story for a new crowd, diverse within yourself. stuff like that, what a good dj does, only with the focus on your tunes.
sometimes simple is the perfect solution to a complicated dilema.
|
|
I'm struggling with this as well - but personally if I went to a show and the producer just played mastered tracks off the album with no alteration or extremely minimal change like a couple BPM up or down? I'd be pretty unimpressed.
However, me having heard the album would make a huge difference in this regard.
Also, I would point out that performing electronic music is a skill just like producing is a skill. For a long time I had the same mindset - I want to be a producer! make the best psytrance! etc etc
However, since I have invested some time and thought (and most importantly, *practice*) into the template for my live set I have improved greatly and in a year or so might be able to do some pretty interesting stuff live and have enough material to do an hourish set.
It will never be as polished and pretty as a mastered track - true. However, it will have a lot of improvisational elements to it which to me is valuable. I respect, admire and connect with acts who put a lot of effort into doing something interesting in the live performance outside of the norm - and there are plenty of amazing tools to help us out in this regard that barely anyone is taking advantage of in the psy scene.
BTW, I've heard Tom Cosm live - and no one on the floor was complaining that it sounded loopy or unmastered
If DJing your own productions out with CDJs or something is what you want to do, that's fine. However, I would invest some time and energy into figuring out a way to do live elements before saying that it's not possible
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp
www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records |
|
|
|
|
