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Placing bass notes over the kick or not?
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TuK
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 17:24
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colin,
i agree that in fast full-on basslines there is no reason to overlap the bass and kick , but when you make funky/groovy basslines you have a hole lot of creative options when you overlap them that nothing can replace. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 18:26
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On 2006-04-04 17:24, dj tuK wrote:
colin,
i agree that in fast full-on basslines there is no reason to overlap the bass and kick , but when you make funky/groovy basslines you have a hole lot of creative options when you overlap them that nothing can replace.
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On 2006-04-04 16:05, Colin OOOD wrote:
When I do fast psy basslines I never overlap the kick and bass... |
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I didn't say anything about how I do slower psy or progressive basslines  Besides, I hope the Voice of Cod album shows that fast fullon psy basslines can be 'funky and groovy' too!  
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e-motion
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 18:46
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inmho this is not a rule to use or not to use. from my analyzis on professional artists i guess some use and some don't (altough i don't have a master ear, i think i can guess). i think it all depends on taste and skill  |
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john c
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 19:37
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my 2 cents:
for fullon- NEVER overlap.
for progressive, overlapping can give u a certain groove that works but u have to make sure ur sidechaining and that the bass decreases somewhat as to not conflict. but if some of the frequencies of the bass hit with the kick nicely, it does sound good but I only recommend this with slower 133 bpm style progressive. |
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0v3rd0s3d
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 19:42
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hum, i started using it in "dark" sounds lol :s
it gives the feeling of a more rolling bass... imo, if u want a fast bass use it, but slightly. ^^
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sonik_akb
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 20:55
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It's very commom to overlap bass and bassdrum
on house (120-128 BPM), generally with a funky & groovin bass (and without use sidechain compression). Even on proggy house (126-133BPM) tracks you can listen such thing. You really need to listen and overlap bass and drum carefully here (sound design & EQ mixing).
As said previously, I don't think to overlap bass/kick on full-on/psy (145 BPM) could be a great idea. No way dude! |
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TuK
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 21:03
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this is an example of bass overlape with kick, its 145 bpm not a full-on bass but a nice groovy bassline with no sidechain only a little eq:
http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2POTNE0V8WSC92F1AV29E8FYG1
its not perfect, sidechain would help in this case but its a good example of what you cant do if you stick to a rule that you dont overlape bass and kick. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 21:32
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 21:40
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place the bass notes over the kick , just change the velocity of the bass note , it ll add more groove. |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 01:04
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I always use bass notes over the kick, and i take the "velocity" lower than the rest of the bass notes.
1) I always try to use the same bass note over the kicks.
Example: "if the track key is A minor, i will try to place the A note on every kick (A---A---A---A)
or the corepondent 5'th note: (A---E---A---E)
etc.. to create an equilibrium in the track, because the bassline and the drums are the main structure of a song. If those doesnt fit together, or sound good...nothing will!"
2) Why, i use the bass notes over kick ??? Well, because this will make the kick sound more integrated into the track, more warm. Without this, the kick will sound dry and out of the track, no metter how much compresion or eq you use.
3) about the velocity:
I set the general bass notes to 100%, but when the kick meets the bass i set the velocity to aprox. 20 %, Never more !!!
So a classical 4/4 velocity, bass measure will look like this:
(20% - 100% - 100% - 100%)
REMEMBER ! This is not a rule !!! It all depends of the kick u use, or the feeling you wanna give to the track !!! So, if you have a plastic, dry kick u can use this metode. If your kick is warm and full of all frequences, you can play it alone, without bass note over it.
Boom !!! Sorry for my english ! |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 01:27
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Atma - Great advice
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 02:58
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you can try 20%-80%-100%-100% or 20%-80%-100%-80% more groovy ! |
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icodon
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 21:19
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On 2006-04-04 21:03, dj tuK wrote:
this is an example of bass overlape with kick, its 145 bpm not a full-on bass but a nice groovy bassline with no sidechain only a little eq:
http://s15.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2POTNE0V8WSC92F1AV29E8FYG1
its not perfect, sidechain would help in this case but its a good example of what you cant do if you stick to a rule that you dont overlape bass and kick.
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I love to hear the answer!! Much better than read it....
...GrooveŽnŽdooR... |
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e-motion
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 23:07
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exactly what i'm doing in this recent project atma |
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0v3rd0s3d
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Posted : Apr 6, 2006 01:40
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