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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 16:47:34
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currently im making music with a subwoofer that has 2 smaller reg. speakers on either side.- basically a regular little set of speakers u wud have in ur college dorm or something.I know this is isnt even close to montors or the best way to produce but right now its my only option.Where is the best place to put the main piece(the subwoofer)and the smaller speakers?
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wizanda
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 17:24
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kabbalisticvillage
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knocz
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 18:12
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I think the sub's relative position to you is irrelevant (as people say, you can't percept the difference of where the bass is coming from, although I believe it should be at least near you and in front of you not behind), so the sub's position relative to the room is very important because of the bass reflections.
I believe if you use your speakers long enough you will find out how they sound like and adjust your productions accordingly.
Try listening to your tracks (or anything for that matter) in your room, but in a different positions: center of the room, way back, to the side, etc.) and hear the differences in the sound (you will hear big differences in the location of the highs and the volume and phasing of the lows) and, based on your results, try changing your setup around (from moving the sub to changing everything around) to get the cleanest sound you can.
Remember, you are not looking for the best sounding sound, but the most accurate sound, so it can help a lot if you can find some reference points (other studios with monitors, other studios, other speakers, headphones, etc).
Check this out, there are some good tips here and go google for some studio photos. Remember to notice where the listener and the sources (speakers) are, relative to the room and to each other.
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/subwoofer-placement-guidelines
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wizanda
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 18:14
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Not sure on a studio, doubt you should even use a sub in one, as it will cause a misunderstanding of the sound. 
Just in general, if a sub is facing a contained space, you feel the bass more, not hear it. 
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Feb 20, 2011 18:49
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thanks knocz..i always play my tracks when im just moving around my studio which also happens to be my kitchen too(i live in a wack apt.)and i hear differences.I also test the tracks on my headphones after i make something new or when people are sleeping.I lowered the bass knob down on the sub which i guess helps because i dont want to much.Thanks for the helps people.
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supergroover
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Posted : Feb 21, 2011 11:17
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How big is your room? Because if it is small I think it is better not to use a sub.
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 09:55
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kabbalisticvillage
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 13:49
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thanks..i guess at the end of the day im not an enginneer so i odnt really understand all these things..im going to use my ears to figure things out.I test all my stuff on headphones(good ones)and if it sounds good there ..then i know it will sound good on speakers.I think.correct me if im wrong
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 14:27
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Posted : Feb 24, 2011 14:37
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like colin said is good to place it by ears, if you want to do it really right you have to take measurment it s more easy ,you need to get it in time wiht your main monitors or it will sound wrong, if you have sqomething to adjust the phase on the sub it will help for this . |
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 10:02
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well, theres no need for a degree in audio engineering  but i agree its more advanced if you go for measure the room and calculate where your problems are...
just put them by ear like already mentioned. the articles just should give an impression about the need of a sub and should give you a thought about using the fft analyzer for your needs.
so iŽd go for placing by ear and check with fft. its really easy and you dont have to be an engineer for that. just go ahead and borrow a mic like this
http://www.musicstore.de/de_DE/EUR/-/art-REC0007034-000?campaign=GBase
incl. cable, stand etc. and download any free fft analyzing tool like this :
http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2010/03/11/free-fft-spectrum-analyzer-for-mac-pc/
plug everything, connect to your pc/mac. set up a sinesweep or tone in your DAW according to the frequency range of your sub and loop it. now do a few measurements at your listening position. you now should be able to also see the problems  adjust frequency range by placing the sub and moving around until fine. if your room is difficult iŽd go for a eq iŽd adjust according to my analysis and put it all time on the master im workin on a track or anything else.
i was in hope one is able to see the power in these both articles. now as i described the way, if you think about it, this will give you a really powerful tool to improve the sound in your or any room there is
cheers: stephan
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 10:08
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On 2011-02-24 14:27, Colin OOOD wrote:
A good way to find the best place to put the sub is to first place it ehere you normally sit to mix...
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a good friend of mine got his one hanging about 1,2m above his head!!!
this is no joke and even if i wasnt able to get it understand that time it sounded quite good at his listening position.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 25, 2011 10:58
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I'd say its the easiest to give a subwoofer a position.In a smaller room ever more easier.
Place it where you like it - you wont hear probably much difference in another place since waves under 300 Hz are working and going different then the higer ones.
Subbass especialy goes round and through,bending forward you will hear your sub/bass spectrum in the whole room perfectly.
The waves are also long(er),stretchier and mightier they spread anyways.ABsorbers (bass traps) needed at almost any case.
The same is in most smaller clubs you see the sub somewhere in the background in the corner maybe,but you feel the bass well everywhere.Well,there is of course a path where you feel it more.But it is enough.. to place it without any measurements,just by ears ,when it comes to a subwoofer.
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