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Pi Club Berlin Germany Fraud
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ZerreX
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Posted : May 14, 2006 11:00
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Hi there,
I just came back from a party here in Berlin in a goa club called PI-Club (www.pi-production.com). The lineup was N3XuS -
Dimitri Zara (the owner of the club) and then GMS ...
Here is what pissed me off(and surely did N3xu5 too):
A couple of weeks ago I read a post in a in scene forum for the berlin psytrance scene that the owner of the above mentioned club tends to have two different settings for his PA controller:
1. The setting he tends to use on his "Live Set" (even though I never heard of him really releasing anything) ... sounds as clear as it can get on this pa ...
2. The setting he tends to use for the (live) sets being played just before his set ...
Now for 2. the sound is really shreaky ... seems like he did not dampen the frequencies between 2000 and 4500 hz which the human ear tends to be most sensitive to, and thus "overbleeping" all the nice other frequencies.
As I read that post I was not sure if this was for real so I decided to go to the club and check it out myself. In order to not being cheated by my own ear, I took a really good friend with me who is into pa stuff, and I guess its good to trust his jugdement.
As we arrived there a Dj was playing his set just before N3xU5. The funny thing we noticed
was that the first track of nexus after the dj set sound way more flat ... less bass , way too much "voicespectrum" .... so how could that be ? (nexus was using a virus ti as audiointerface !!!) ... this was really strange , so I told my friend to wait for Dimitri Zara's "live"-set .... There was a short break between both sets , and the intro of dimitri's set suddenly sounded way better ! Much better balanced bass etc. I looked over to my friend and he looked back at me, and I knew he understood what I meant.
Not forget to add that the GMS set afterwards was not live but a dj set played from cd. This one stayed at the same quality of sound.
So what I want to express by this post is that I am really kinda depressed that some people like Dimitri Zara and his "PI-Production" really need to change sound settings on their pa to have the pre-artist sound bad , and thus havin their own set kick way more(specially if people on the danceflooor are on "voyage" and have a "wide"
ear allready.)
Sorry guys, I really need to write this , as it kinda pisses me off... having so many people trying to contribute to the scene , and a few just shitting on the scene and promoting themselfes on all costs..
Please, any real pro's , if your sound is precious to you ... think for yourself if its worth to play there ...
Hope someone understands...
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Ankur
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traveller
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Posted : May 14, 2006 14:21
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Haha 
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ZerreX
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Posted : May 14, 2006 17:14
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Yeah right , tell that exodus , he looked like thinking exactly the same way when he started his live act ...
... bullshit ...
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ZerreX
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Posted : May 14, 2006 17:48
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Thats gotta be Nexus not exodus ... sorry about that one.
I just wonder how it can be that every time dimitri plays the guy before him sounds like crap , and everything afterwards sounds good... oh an btw.. DjMoonsun's set first couple of tracks sounded the same way, and suddenly it turned into good sound(wonder if that is the greek connection bonus ?). the sound got bad with nexus and turned ok again when dimitri played... I guess this can happen , but EVERY time he plays its the same. Never realized that when dimitri played on a party he did not organize, but always when he houses the party himself and is playing...
Its just too weird, it cant be just occasion.
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Ghost Host
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Posted : May 14, 2006 19:45
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very interesting topic 
..damn i din't go on that party, cose of 20 Euro entrance, so i can't proove what sound was like, but i remember Nexus at Pi Club last year....and yes sound was too weak 
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Ankur
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Posted : May 14, 2006 20:26
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well actually i didnt wanted to waste my time for that, but now i got some leaved and gonna try to tell u why i think its bullshit........
first atall dimitri and miguel (nexus) are good friends and why should dimitri do that? its his party and he probadly wants speacialy there that all artists sound is good..
then it is like that dimitri is like u said the owner of this club and he realy knows the acoustic and the sound system in there and also whats even more important he got his studio in the same building and so he listen his trks when he finished them in that room and on that (or atleast on a part or) soundsystem.
so is it a wonder when his trks sounds good in there?
an other reason is that he played maaaaaaaany times in there and he know how to set-up the EQ and all the thinks...
so probadly while he is playing with his trks wich he realy knows he said up everything and will probadly keep up that setting for the next act...
well to nexus i didnt went last night cuz i was to tired from the night befor but i did listen him befor and i think he got a very own taste in his way to set up his EQs and some ppl call it weak some ppl like it...
so let me come to the last point did u maybe spoke about volume and not sound quality?
then if yes then its this hole topic for nothing then i can explain it to u:
then the pi crew do it every party that they start they start with abit lower volume, so the crowd can arrive and with the time they do it more and more up to bring the ppl slowly in and mostly around 4am they got to the level they want and they keep it to the end...
well i hope i could give u some answers...
but in any case i know dimitri will not let by purpose one artist sounding worse then him self or any other, maybe the volume but not the quality.
respect
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Synthogen
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Posted : May 14, 2006 20:59
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Zerrex like it seems u watch every machine on the stage carefully...
U believe that nexus was using a virus ti as audiointerface. That´s wrong becose u didnt attract ur attention on his Motu card just on the left of the Laptop...
The sound of nexus live act was connected thrue a 24 channel mixer ....dimitri connect his laptor directly to the Pionnier main mixer.
So my oppinion before u write all this reproaches maybe u should think better about some things..
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ZerreX
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Posted : May 14, 2006 21:02
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ok let me add some points to this, and thanks for a constructive response ankur. I did not write this post in order to make someone bad, it should rather more be seen a dry statement what I heard ...
First of all, at that party there was NOT the standard soundsystem of the pi club (which is imo not that great , the subs are at the wrong place resulting in near to no bass on the dancefloor ... (maybe try some 180 degree phase ? )... The trebles are actually not that bad , and are placed correctly above the dancefloors corners.
At that party dimitri rented a four point sound system (well GMS needs some Whooof ... ) , so It was not his
hardware.
Also you kind of explained it yourself, dont you think. If you know the accoustic of the room that well, its even more easy to have the controller set in a way the sound gets bad in a more subtile way ... after all its just messing with the response of the room.
Also if he has got a studio and does produce that stuff himself, I wonder why he never released ANYTHING , at least I dont know of any track or album he released. Well there is another Dimitri but he is a pro and I think he is from south africa if I remember right.
So I wonder why does he produce sound to just have it played in his own club?
Another thing is, that if you are a soundtechnician that has the skills to measure a CORRECT impulse response of a room (and that is what you have to do to figure out the rooms accoustix) and even more has the skills to apply that knowledge to his mixdown, you should be able to apply some of the knowledge on how to eq /compress your sum to make it sound better on EVERY dancefloor not just your own club.
another little story: he played with azax syndrom once , in a different location. And well, azax had to switch a few things on dimitris laptop and turned a little on the bassknob of the mixer , and suddenly it sounded way better. I can not really imagine dimitri has these skillz, which normally require at least an education in some way of mastering/studiotechnic etc.
After all normally the artist makes music, the mastering technician makes it sound good ... why after all are there educational ways to become a mastering/studio technician / Soundengineer ? ...
I am NOT talking about volume !
Its totally normal that a party starts at lower vol and than increments to the climax...
It was not too loud or too low in volume , rather the complete limiter/eq controller setting was not in the right ratio anymore ... try this ... take a track and push all frequ between 2000 and 5000 hz by 1-3db ... then listen to it again at lets say just above the level that your ears wont tire to get the impression of a little louder vol.
then bypass the boost while the track is playing , you will hear the difference ... its not the volume , its the ratio of all frequencies to each other what matters to make sound sound good.
After all, that is what a mastering technician should do, and he should do it good!
Oh ok I apologize, I did not watch the stage that exactly.
Was the mixer just there for nexus ?
I mean GMS also did an emergency cd set, didnt they? Ok they were on the stage , but that was not live ... it was a dj set... Hearing that they connected the stuff in different ways seems to make a little more sense now ...
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Ankur
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Posted : May 14, 2006 22:50
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ok then let me also add some points....
first atall he realy produce his sound by his own!!!!!! and its will be released soon in his own label pi rpduction rec wich comes up with some releases...
to the soundsytem as u could have read in my last post its was a part of the usually plus some more they rented....
next thing dimitri is not a soundengeneer he just make sound wich is a big diffrent!!!
and about safe-t club its was also a pi party no? i remember that with regev he showed dimitri some good tricks!!
well about the EQ thing iam mostly with u but iam not gonna go in details no that will go to far from the topic...
i planed to whrite more but now iam out of time..
so like i said befor dimi will not let by purpose some other artist sounding worse them him!!!!!!!
respect
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Ankur
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Posted : May 14, 2006 22:55
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some thing more i want to add...
i played a couple of times in the pi club and i even did a party there my self so i know the soundsystem and also the set up and there is for sure no ´"sound set up change button" or anything like that.
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Moonsun
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Posted : May 15, 2006 11:40
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Hi ZerreX. to tell u the truth this is the funniest topic i ever heard of to call fraud,i dont know if ure english is good or u dont know what the word means fraud.all djs artist performed,there sound was okk as i could hear ,Deco was super,people were dancing.so from were i stand it was killer party.so give us a break my friend and next time if u post say mabe u didnt like the party in the party topic,and dont call it fraud.
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Moonsun
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Posted : May 16, 2006 20:44
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hi id like to add 1 more thing about this party. since it was my 1st time in berlin to Set there. and iv never seen the people so happy and dacing to all Artists and Djs.id like to say thank u for a lovely atmosphere the people gave me and u are all so energetic people.big respect to the german sceene.met realy nice intresting friends. and hope to see u soon again.wass realy intresting experience for me in berlin.
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