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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 16:13:11
namaste

Both of my files sound ok to me.The only thing I think of a solution is the different phase.
Take a look on my pics
pic a - looks ok to me.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/2/1892847/Pics%20in%20Isratrance/bass%20a.JPG

pic b - sounds like a brother but looks different.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/2/1892847/Pics%20in%20Isratrance/new%20bass%20part.JPG
I don't know enough about phase ,tried to put a nugen monofilter and shift the phase but then it sounds not like a brother anymore.
Can you advice what to do?
Or should I lay sorta sounds with the opposite phase ,when the pic b sound is playing?
Tried it in synth but couldnt do it right (FM8).Would like to go on with my track but this stays unsolved for a few days now.Any help would be great.
peace

ps the peaks will be treated later with comp.Or is it better befor bouncing?

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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 16:22
I don't understand what you are asking...

Do you want to play two bass sounds at the same time?
TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 16:27
Good that you say it,I try it different.

The waveform from the first pic is more or less in the middle ..while on the other pic it is more at the lower area. I am even not sure but I guess this has sth to do with the phase of the sound.
I think it is not unimportant ,even though am not sure about it.
My question is : How to correct it? Without changing the colour of the sound.
Peace
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supergroover
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 17:21
You want to correct something but you are not sure you are wrong?

Maybe someone can explain to us if it is wrong in the first place or nothing to worry about.
Freeflow
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 17:27
interesting question. might have to do with PHASE CORRELATION

You should look more into it! iv seen this too and wonder why it occurs, there is more info on the minus side of the soundwave.

im going to look into it my self, been checking phase offset modulation but as i understand it has not to do with this?


You should check with a audio analyzer, such as Elemental Audio IXL or some other analyzer which has phase correlation, if the info on the minus side is more prominent. than its a phase correlation issue


But on another hand
"A further point is not to confuse talking about "Phase" when you really mean "Polarity" because people often say "out of phase" to mean a signal is inverted to the opposite polarity. The signal would still be in perfect phase with the opposite polarity signal at all frequencies!"

this tool might be helpful
http://www.telebyte.com/pioneer/

also interesting topic here
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/printview.php?t=203639&start=0
TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 19, 2009 17:55
yes thanks for links gonna read it.

I don't know like said above but I think so that it is phase.All opearators are in panoramic balance.
I do not know exactly what you mean with opposite polarity tbh.
Analysers to be checked..
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 05:00
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On 2009-11-19 16:13:11, TimeTraveller wrote:
namaste

Both of my files sound ok to me.The only thing I think of a solution is the different phase.
Take a look on my pics
pic a - looks ok to me.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/2/1892847/Pics%20in%20Isratrance/bass%20a.JPG

pic b - sounds like a brother but looks different.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/5/2/1892847/Pics%20in%20Isratrance/new%20bass%20part.JPG
I don't know enough about phase ,tried to put a nugen monofilter and shift the phase but then it sounds not like a brother anymore.
Can you advice what to do?
Or should I lay sorta sounds with the opposite phase ,when the pic b sound is playing?
Tried it in synth but couldnt do it right (FM8).Would like to go on with my track but this stays unsolved for a few days now.Any help would be great.
peace

ps the peaks will be treated later with comp.Or is it better befor bouncing?




There's nothing really wrong with those waveforms, some sounds just look like they're more above or below the zero line. You might want to consider highpassing them, that might give you more headroom if you need it. Otherwise, if they sound good to you, they're fine.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 05:04
Thank you Colin! Good to know.
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jizy
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 08:31
Why not just go by how it sounds?

Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 13:57
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On 2009-11-20 08:31, jizy wrote:
Why not just go by how it sounds?


Imagine you're at a restaurant and when your food arrives, all of it is bright blue. You complain, of course, but when the chef comes out to talk to you he tastes the meal and says, "It tastes great, what are you complaining about?".

The ears are the final judge, for sure, but they aren't infallable and are very prone to the placebo effect. I think it's wise to engage as many senses as possible during production. Espedially sight.
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 14:48
you are my production god ... Golin !!

Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 17:43
All just my opinion... I reserve the right to be wrong, to contradict myself, and to suddenly start talking about woodburning stoves in a conversation about modular synthesis.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Co-codamol
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 17:46
Quote:

On 2009-11-20 13:57, Colin OOOD wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-11-20 08:31, jizy wrote:
Why not just go by how it sounds?


Imagine you're at a restaurant and when your food arrives, all of it is bright blue. You complain, of course, but when the chef comes out to talk to you he tastes the meal and says, "It tastes great, what are you complaining about?".

The ears are the final judge, for sure, but they aren't infallable and are very prone to the placebo effect. I think it's wise to engage as many senses as possible during production. Espedially sight.




One takes away from the other. Brain scans on people who are blind show that the brain can use more of its resources for their other senses. So one could argue (friendly debate) that by using visual aids, while working with sound, you impair the brains ability to focus on auditory decoding.
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 18:05
The brain my find it difficult to strongly focus on more than one thing at a time, this is true, but the additional information you can get by using visual and tactile aids can make for better productions, which is surely the bottom line as far as this discussion goes           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Co-codamol
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Posted : Nov 20, 2009 18:08
Personally I found my ear-mind connection improved when I stopped using the visual aids. That's my experience. Take from it what you will.
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