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jizy
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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 17:05:46
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i notice this give the bassline more of a stable solid flow especally in the lo freqencies... how and why is this.
im using sylethns Phase deg, it is set to 90 everywhere else sounds bad apart from 90... why?
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jizy
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Posted : Aug 27, 2009 17:55
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does anyone like to explane how the phase degree works within the ocilation of the sawtooth
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Ascension
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Upavas
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 3, 2009 03:13
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Cheers,why does it sound good at 90? It rolls nicely more so than it does at o? Why?
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 3, 2009 03:44
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 3, 2009 07:36
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On 2009-09-03 03:13, jizy wrote:
Cheers,why does it sound good at 90? It rolls nicely more so than it does at o? Why?
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This is because starting at 90 means starting a quarter of the way into the waveform, and with most repeating waves, eg. sine, triangle etc, this is their highest (ie. loudest) point. This means that when you press a key the oscillator slams straight in with full volume rather than waiting for the natural course of the waveform to go from silence to max (as it would do during the first 90 degrees of the waveform, which you're missing out by setting start phase to 90) - which means you get a nice fat click at the beginning of each note. This helps to define the beginning of each note in a consistent way and make it sound punchier and more solid.
Pre-delaying the start of the note without changing phase to 90 (or whatever sounds good) simply means the note starts a little out of time, and will do nothing to affect the actual sound of the bassline. It might affect the groove of the track in a good way (or it might not), but that's not what the OP was asking 
In a sawtooth waveform that starts with silence at 0 and rises up to its max level at 359 before repeating, a start phase of 90 means that the note will start with the waveform a quarter of the way through, ie. not at silence but at a quarter of its max level. This means you can dial in exactly the amount of click you want at the beginning of each note - 0=360=no click, 359=massive click.
Unfortunately not every synth out there actually gives you what you ask for with things like this so a bit of experimentation is necessary to find out how the one you're using actually reacts. Just think of the the phase control as scanning through one cycle of the waveform to decide where each note starts, and you should be able to visualise what's going on.
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Posted : Sep 3, 2009 08:10
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 3, 2009 22:51
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thats great stuff colin.. thanks everyone else to for talkin the time to anwser.. true ignor what i said about it JUST sounding good at 90... i relised it changes depending on how youVE tweaked the filters, the amps and where your cutoff starts.
but once carful eq had been made and compression it really is started to sound professional and energizing.
cheers alein bug for mentioning about phase deg in your post in Mother of bassline on the z3ta... try it with sylenth 1.
phase degree = Handy.
spose it like the handy "sample start" in bassline trilogy, but rather than the sample its the ocilator... |
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 3, 2009 23:03
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jizy
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Posted : Sep 4, 2009 09:03
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So I spose u could get ultra creative by say having 5 of the same synths,all with the same patch and then have different phase degs on certain channels and notes,,whhhhooohooo
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PoM
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Posted : Sep 4, 2009 14:30
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thats a bit how you make supersaw or wahtever they name it... oscillators (many) detuned with phase shift. |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Sep 5, 2009 00:07
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On 2009-09-03 07:36, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-09-03 03:13, jizy wrote:
Cheers,why does it sound good at 90? It rolls nicely more so than it does at o? Why?
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This is because starting at 90 means starting a quarter of the way into the waveform, and with most repeating waves, eg. sine, triangle etc, this is their highest (ie. loudest) point. This means that when you press a key the oscillator slams straight in with full volume rather than waiting for the natural course of the waveform to go from silence to max (as it would do during the first 90 degrees of the waveform, which you're missing out by setting start phase to 90) - which means you get a nice fat click at the beginning of each note. This helps to define the beginning of each note in a consistent way and make it sound punchier and more solid.
Pre-delaying the start of the note without changing phase to 90 (or whatever sounds good) simply means the note starts a little out of time, and will do nothing to affect the actual sound of the bassline. It might affect the groove of the track in a good way (or it might not), but that's not what the OP was asking
In a sawtooth waveform that starts with silence at 0 and rises up to its max level at 359 before repeating, a start phase of 90 means that the note will start with the waveform a quarter of the way through, ie. not at silence but at a quarter of its max level. This means you can dial in exactly the amount of click you want at the beginning of each note - 0=360=no click, 359=massive click.
Unfortunately not every synth out there actually gives you what you ask for with things like this so a bit of experimentation is necessary to find out how the one you're using actually reacts. Just think of the the phase control as scanning through one cycle of the waveform to decide where each note starts, and you should be able to visualise what's going on.
Hope this helps
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awsome answer! respect colin 
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D-Alien
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Posted : Sep 5, 2009 12:00
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great explanation indeed, but I have one question regarding exactly sylenth. I never managed to turn the phase exactly at 90 degrees. it always get to some inexact values, as 90,83 or 89,70 or something similar. Is there some trick to turn it Exactly at 90? some shortcut, some key... I've tried ctrl, alt, etc... didn't manage and i couldn't write it down neither as in other synths it is possible just to write the exact value...
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 5, 2009 14:35
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On 2009-09-04 09:03, jizy wrote:
So I spose u could get ultra creative by say having 5 of the same synths,all with the same patch and then have different phase degs on certain channels and notes,,whhhhooohooo
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yes thats alot of the time the 'voices'
sounds much nicer with retriger off 
well not for rolling bass but for funk sake there is more to electronic music then static basses
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