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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 12:54
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On 2005-08-02 13:19, John wrote:
If people enjoy what your playing - you're doing your job!
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Indeed 
But does this imply that you sometimes have to be "forced" of playing some stuff that you're not so fond of ?
It can happen, I think.. like in every domain of 'creation'
So i think the point is to reach a kind of compromise between what you do enjoy deeply and what will please the crowd. The principle in essence of a share.
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Ott^
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 17:18
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On 2005-08-03 12:54, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Indeed
But does this imply that you sometimes have to be "forced" of playing some stuff that you're not so fond of ?
It can happen, I think.. like in every domain of 'creation'
So i think the point is to reach a kind of compromise between what you do enjoy deeply and what will please the crowd. The principle in essence of a share.
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I cannot imagine playing something I didn't love just to please others.
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Aug 3, 2005 17:57
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Yeah, well doesn't that just go back to what I was saying earlier? If you are passionate and enthusiastic about what you are playing then something of that will transmit to the crowd, I feel sure of that. You're not going to be able to please everyone all the time. Ever. So you might as well please yourself.
I was given a good piece of advice by someone once from my dance group when I was putting together my first very first set of tracks to play to them (my 'wave' as they call it) and obviously I was absolutely shitting myself. He said "If it makes you feel good, and it makes you want to move, then chances are it will make others want to move to." He was right. Went down a storm.
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 12:24
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(usually, your set reflects what's in you, your feelings, your mood etc... it's very hard to play a nice set if the DJ is not in the right "mood" I beleive... it could be technically perfect maybe, but not from the heart.... so i beleive that first of all a DJ has to play from his heart...)
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Posted : Aug 4, 2005 14:27
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Chill gives you great possibiletys and if you realy wont to be good then its not so easy like the most people say.Beat mixing in chill is not so easy cose ther is not enuff tempo.most trance dj woode not be able to mix but most chill dj can mix trance.but its true that allso
allot off the chill djs only mix intro outro.
So lets get better
Dubfix>Chill-in-or stay out!
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 11:49
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On 2005-08-03 17:18, Ott^ wrote:
I cannot imagine playing something I didn't love just to please others.
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Sure Maybe I did express myself in bit clumsy way..
I meant, even in chill out there are ehmm.. how to say : hits or classics that one can hear sometimes several times in a festival.. (and some of your stuff is a part of it). Why do the guy at decks do play them once again when he knows they were played already ?
Better 'centring' here, I think.. 
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nanda
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 18:50
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Justo my friend, basically and first of all... Nice to hang (in some how) with you on the "Secret Garden Fest.".
about critics from "other" DJs... or people.. comparing your work with others who're playing on the "dance floor"... and ofcourse nothing have to do with us. Just wanted to say that "our" scene its new and basically.. FREE. Trance scene is FULL on politics.. limits and this reflect the difficulty for the scene in "open" their minds.
En otras palabras.. nosotros los Chillers estamos haciendo un trabajo de chinos tratando de hacer mas "humana" a la escena. porque?.. por que---- nuestro trabajo esta ligado basicamente con la musica, la gente y todo eso con el corazon. digamos que somos algo asi como terapeutas.
El mezclar beats en el chill es cosa de estilo. tener una super tecnica para mezclar con los CDJs o con las tornas... es algo que tiene que ver con la educacion... deejistica y musical que tengas. de donde vengan tus raices como DJ... pero seguro que si ese DJ que mezcla "increible" solo pincha musica que puedes escuchar en todos los ChillRooms.. o asi como alguien aqui en el forum dice.. temas q'puedes escuchar durante toda la fiesta (porque hay mmiles de otros DJs que no se preocupan en actualizar sus tunes). seguro que no lo hace especial. Osea.. yo tampoco le doy mucha importancia a la mezcla de beats.. pero tu muy pudiste ver (escuchar) que::: ahi hay algo que quiero contar con la musica que tengo. que me gusta y promociono.. nunca pinchare algo que ya haya escuchado de otro DJ o que ya este super explotado... la idea es ir creciendo y ser innovador. tu en ese sentido eres muy parecido a mi. que SI, lo q' estamos haciendo es por pasion o por devocion. pero seguro lo hacemos por amor.
buena musica? obviamente no es facil de encontrar en este mercado.. que se va llenando de copias baratas de 'temas exitosos".. y tu sabes. invertir lo poco y nada que se gana en un chill out.. especiallmente chill floors de fiestas trance. well... creo que no es facil para nadie.
subsistir (si lo haces para vivir) en una escena que al final... solo se preocupa de los "rock stars" y de cuantos bpm. pueden soportar tus pies..
mmm...
Justin, dont give so much importance in what the people say. means.. yes.. sometimes the critics are great for us.. so like this we can grow up.. and do our work @ best--- but to that comments that you know that you can't do much about it - bcz its not your business... just smile and say yah.. possible next time.
if your work... chosing the good tunes is right (deep in your heart)... people not need to be such "vanal" to come to tell or ask you why you dont do it as the guys possible the know. or howsoever...
if we still on the road and keeping in tune... i think we are doing a good job and ofcourse:: doing our best to get better and better.. bcz yes.. its all about passion-. indeed.
and yes.. as Dubfix say:: its not easy beat mixing::: the important thing is that you know the music you are playing and yes.. please your self and you will pleasde others.
love to you and yes.. on our mission
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John
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 20:07
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On 2005-08-25 18:50, nanda wrote:
Just wanted to say that "our" scene its new and basically.. FREE.
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Some good points - but I wouldnt say its a new scene - well not in the UK anyway - theres been chillout rooms ever since the rave days of the late 80s. |
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Aug 25, 2005 21:17
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Trance and house DJs live in a 4/4 Universe, and beat matching is an "essential" skill for sewing together the fabric of the universe they live in. It’s not part of my world, because the music is different…!
I have my own style of mixing downtempo that takes it’s share of effort and energy – enough that I am spun out or high – forget it! I usually carry a notebook and pen and make cue notes and a “Setlist” as I go…. When up there I try and “channel” into the energy of the room, and VIVIDLY imagine and project scenes of paradise and natural beauty while I mix… coral gardens, Himalayan sunrises, coconut groves, opium fields..!
If the room is very exausted or low-key.. I just fade casually and enjoy! But if things are 'bumpin' or peak, with people dancing or getitng hot and heavy...then I put a lot more effort into sewing together the music with ultra-fine stiching...
First I find the point there the beats disappears on the next track, and memorize it or WRITE IT DOWN – before cueing up the proper “intro” point. I adjust the Master Tempo so the BPM is the same or very slightly staggered… I do some math for the precise double overlapping of the intros and outros, finding the exact timing so the beat kicks in just a second after the old one dies – and the MIDs and HIGHs from both tracks wash over into the other ones sound picture for a good 30 seconds or so – rather than just dropping the beat in for a quickie fade and not really having a “mix”…
It keeps me as busy as a bee when I am up there…. Multi-tasking away…and I have to really be on the game or I’ll be squeezed for time to put a CD back in it’s proper place or make a thoughtful selection…
No one really has complained so far… so I’m not worried about what 4/4 DJs think!
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Madpup
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Posted : Aug 26, 2005 01:57
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I have to admit I am on of the 'ignorant' dance djs. I have heard a couple of chill-out sets that were beat mixed..but as far as I know it took a fair bit of preparation and practice to get it like that.
Anyway..has anyone have any chill-out mixes on the web that showcase some good djing skills (not necesseraly beat mixing). I am really keen to hear.
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Rui Ferreira
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Posted : Aug 26, 2005 06:38
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On 2005-08-26 01:57, Madpup wrote:
I have to admit I am on of the 'ignorant' dance djs. I have heard a couple of chill-out sets that were beat mixed..but as far as I know it took a fair bit of preparation and practice to get it like that.
Anyway..has anyone have any chill-out mixes on the web that showcase some good djing skills (not necesseraly beat mixing). I am really keen to hear.
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There were few mixes available in this forum a couple of month ago, posted by our friendly members, but i don't know if they are still around...But if you go to ambo world site ( http://www.amboworld.com/ ), there you will find some mixes posted by Saturnia on the dj section, wich are a very good example of quality chillout mix session
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brij
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Posted : Aug 26, 2005 15:00
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On 2005-08-26 01:57, Madpup wrote:
Anyway..has anyone have any chill-out mixes on the web that showcase some good djing skills (not necesseraly beat mixing). I am really keen to hear.
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I've got a mix online in which there is no beatmatching as it is fairly ambient, but I have used samples from the movie Last hippy standing to bring some more life to some of the tunes. As Brett says, this requires a fair amount of planning to make it work. As for the mixing, it is mainly fading, but once again its all about timing (and playing with the eq a little).
follow the link for 'Music for a daydreaming hippy' see what you think.....
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Posted : Aug 26, 2005 19:48
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On 2005-08-25 21:17, BrettFromTibet wrote:
Trance and house DJs live in a 4/4 Universe, and beat matching is an "essential" skill for sewing together the fabric of the universe they live in. It’s not part of my world, because the music is different…! |
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Exactly.
In the course of a set I will play tunes varying in tempo from 60bpm to 130bpm - and no two consecutive tracks are of similar tempo.
A lot of what I play is entirely unmixable as it is not sequenced - rather it is played by musicians with no quantise.
I've seen a few chillout DJs who mix like 4/4 DJs and get really superb results, but for me I would rather concentrate on content than technique.
Incidentally, I remember when trance DJs used to play from DAT machines and beatmixing was virtually impossible. The effect of this was that each tune inhabited it's own space and was distinct from the ones before and after it. Tempos ranged from 125 bpm to 150 bpm and styles were many and various.
These days each tune seems to blur into the next and gives the effect [to my ears anyway] of listening to one long 24 hour tune without a break.
Sorry - didn't mean to turn this into a post about how crap trance is these days [plenty of those about already] but thank God for the chillout rig where anything goes and variety is king. |
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Sergio Walgood
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Posted : Aug 27, 2005 00:15
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Posted : Aug 27, 2005 00:36
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what people told here is absolutely true.
Its a hard (and kinda mongo) task trying to beatmatch chill-out music, even if you're really commited to know deeply the several groups of "neighbour BPMs" in your case...
Dubwise speaking, you can play stuff @ about 50 BPM (kukan) or @ 120 BPM... Its not worth making a bpm-progressive or focused set and sacrificing the freedom of choice beacause of that. "variety is king", thankfully 
But at the same time, electronic chill-out music or dub is relatively easier to beatmatch than for exampe organic jamaican dubs or indian tampura driven songs. I`ve learned to mix with jamaican dub 7" s and 10"s, and i remeber taking notes on BPMs and stuff from my first records. that was necessary cause of the tempo variation, and mostly because i was really commited to spin dub the same way i used to spin my brethrens jungle tunes.
that`s when i realized those wonderfully stoned drummers of kingstom provided absurd variations of more than 3 BPMs in a matter of few compass... Not to mention that songs always ended up way faster than the intro (and bad jamaican press surely have influence in dat point mon). But sometimes-every-once-in-a-while, whn i didn`t fcked everything up, it did work wonderfully... mostly wid Scientist stuff... jajaja
So, once I started spinnig more "psychedelic", computer sequenced dubs, half my problems -the tempo variation- we're gone... Still, i would never bother beatmatching an entire set, but depending on the circunstances i usually beatmatch some spare moments in my set, lets say 20%. Why? cause -when you feel like doing it- is also fun to do some live "bootlegs", dat feeling of creating briefly something weirdo out of 2 known tracks . Ott`s Solstice version melodic intro riff is something "beatless" that ii used for years "beat"matched over BRain Damage dubs or whatever came clean in the 70something BPM range... Alpha & omega stuff usually is pretty easy stuff to beatmatch into other artists songs, like ,lets say, Dry & Heavy or Laroz...
As I said is really dumb arranging a chill set focused on tempo progression, but, if it happens in the middle of a set to think of two songs that you know could provide a nice blend, proper beatmatching surely can create a wicked spacecontinuum
sorry for the poor english, but portuguese is my main language..
peace everyone
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