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Space Cadet
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Posted : Oct 20, 2005 17:02
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Hello Psychos!!!
Every time i start to work on the percussion,
its always seems to be not that!!!
and i play with the velosity.
Can someone plz help,give some tips...and how you do it ? (sampler or audio track)
BooM !  |
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Surrender
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Posted : Oct 20, 2005 17:15
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both are valid ways to go...
depends on what and where you wanna go with your percussion work.
i know that in a sampler you can tune the pitch of your percussion to resonate with your base frequency and therefore be more harmonic. when working with audio, u can select things that sound good to the ear.... in the end if it sounds good, it sounds good.
compress, eq, and quanitze.... think about midi delay if using midi, think about correct snapping when using audio.
pick sounds you think will fit, find good samples to start with.
my 2 cents.
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Barius
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Posted : Oct 20, 2005 17:27
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In the beginning I had the same problem. To me, the best solution is to use battery with some samples, panned and edited. I trigger these with midi. this usually isn`t enough for me though 
So I use a lot of percussive loops/breakbeats/whatever noises I find, put them in an audiotrack, and then I chop up and mess up and timestretch and pitch and all that. Still not enough groove? use a trance gate (For instance this baby: http://scuzzphut.panicnow.net/Articles/plugins.html)
Cheers
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Honguito
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Posted : Oct 21, 2005 00:07
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undertones
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Posted : Oct 21, 2005 02:02
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sampler...
battery would be my first choice... lots of tools for shaping sounds n forming loops...
using an audio track means uve gotta find a loop, cut it up n all that...then ull have to do lots of editing n process the sound out till u get a groove going....they made a sampler for a purpose. use it. |
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undertones
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Posted : Oct 21, 2005 02:09
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to give a little depth to percussion, add a bit of reverb on the aux with a short decay, compressed n equed. use formula 60000/bpm to get beat time. use this as predelay time. for shorter predelays, keep dividing this by 2. ur reverb will sound rhythmically with percussion. |
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Space Cadet
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Posted : Oct 21, 2005 04:09
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tnx all
the reverb and delat help me alot! |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 07:19
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Try work with the GatR it will jump every hh (Or
what ever matal u will put in there) And makes u
a nice feeling of a cool percussions .
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sideFXed
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 11:36
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a good way to get more smack on percussions is a compressor on a group. set the compressor to let's say 4:1 ratio, fast attack, fast to mid release. now take down the treshold until you hear little to medium pumping.
let the orignial percussion line on average volume and take up the volume of the compressor group slowly until you get some nice banging beats. works aswell with fx so they really stand out. if you got questions how to route these things exactly, drop me a pm and I try to explain it in detail.
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tribalizer
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 13:49
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it may sound silly but man, buy yourself a djembe and learn real percs first!
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XuN
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Posted : Apr 23, 2006 22:34
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tribalizer>> I would agree... I am so glad that I played the drums for 6 years before I started on creating psytrance music, it gives a natural sense for using percussions... My recommendation would be, do as the little kid on 8 years of age, and take out moms pots and pans, and start drumming, until you get the sense of rythem into your whole body...  |
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e-motion
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Posted : Apr 25, 2006 02:59
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well first and most basic thing is get good samples! the 909 kit has the best for psy. get at least 1 snare, 1 closed hihat, and 1 open hihat. try to use short samples. now make the rhythm like this:
k___k___k___k___ (kick)
____s_______s___ (snare)
ccccccccccccccccccc (closed hihat)
__o___o___o___o_ (open hihat)
now with the loop playing recheck the samples by opening new ones (so you have an idea of how it sounds in a loop). now make your own rhythms. put holes in the closed hihat line (or make a new line, muting the open hihat helps here), add more hats or other percursive sounds, etc.
for volumes, snare depends on the sample and what you want, closed hihat down (try to eq so that you don't hear it, when everything is playing, but feel it  depends on taste again), open hihat up. now eq, compress, distort (if you want), delay (minimal, personally i don't use it), reverb... boom you have some nice percursion. it's not hard just experiment |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Apr 28, 2006 07:08
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get battery and change the samples according to velocities and your tracks will start to actually breath life.... and as far as midi and audio both they compliment each other well though i like midi better hehe midi nerd till the end!!! also use differ delays timings in the different samples i like panning delaays play with it and have fun and do please change it up perhaps u got good rhythm and don't know it cus ur stuck on the same loop over and over killing the vibe hope i helped out peace brother and happy tweakings |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Apr 28, 2006 07:28
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Load up a couple bars of a track you like, with a section with good clear percussion.
Now load up a whatever sample into Battery and pick one percussion instrument to follow, like the snare. Get your sample playing in time with it and then start swapping through samples till you find one close. Tweak tweak tweak. Try EQing and compressing and bitcrushing and pitching and distorting and doing whatever you can to make the sample sound like the one in the track. If you can't seem to find the right volume then it's the wrong sample.
Do this for another percussion element, and another.
by the end you will have learned how the midi will look for a rhythm and also how to tweak your samples.
Oh, and you'll have a good rhythm section built, but that's not the important part. |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Apr 28, 2006 07:36
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hey fuzzy i saw u stated
bit crushing... what do u usually use it on??? and how much do u apply??? i've tried it and only seems to help on snares but on everything else it just doesnt sound right to me... my opinion. maybe on bass drum if ur going for that distorted teckno kick but for psy i just don't know??? hehe lol
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