Oni Katsu
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Posted : May 1, 2015 00:53:52
Hey y'all! so i've been playing a lot with my percussion lately, do you have any advice on how to really widen up the percussion range except for panning stuff out a lot?
- (working in logic in case there's a magic plugin)
Share your tips on how to make FAT HATz and stuff! Maybe even layering techniques?
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knocz
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Posted : May 1, 2015 01:09
Great question, bring on the tips!
I sometimes hard pan my closed high hats to one side, and then send a delay to the other side, with a time shorter than 15ms Works wonders on making the highs very wide!
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Posted : May 1, 2015 01:40
then route it into other things, I remember trying it out ages ago and remember it being good on percs - although its ment for bass mainly
or what the above said - a simple delay plugin turn off sync to manual then adjust it how you want it
its infinite really - or the funz ive been having on percs is if you have ohmnicide use the multiband gates set your thresholds and turn on the "side" feature for each band at the bottom and then adjust accordingly
from there you can send it into allsorts I guess - FAT HATZ
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Posted : May 1, 2015 11:18
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On 2015-05-01 01:09, knocz wrote:
Great question, bring on the tips!
I sometimes hard pan my closed high hats to one side, and then send a delay to the other side, with a time shorter than 15ms Works wonders on making the highs very wide!
This is an interesting technique! I assume the outcome of that has a similar result as to hard-pan 2 strips of the same percussion element, 1to left and 1 to the right, and just drag 1 of then a tiny notch to the right in your sequencer? I'm thinking of layering a shaker with my open hihats for that ( a really bright, reverbrated and hipassed one) nice stereo effect like that.. might be cool!
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Posted : May 1, 2015 15:43
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On 2015-05-01 11:18, Oni Katsu wrote:
This is an interesting technique! I assume the outcome of that has a similar result as to hard-pan 2 strips of the same percussion element, 1to left and 1 to the right, and just drag 1 of then a tiny notch to the right in your sequencer? I'm thinking of layering a shaker with my open hihats for that ( a really bright, reverbrated and hipassed one) nice stereo effect like that.. might be cool!
Yes the result is exactly the same as doing that, but with the benefit of "automatically" with a delay and some utility (for panning) plugins, that usually come bundled in every DAW (you can save it as a preset, and you can also to do some fine adjustments to the pan and the delay time, without having to stop the tune and move the sample ).
But this is valid on mono source - if you do this technique on a stereo channel, you will get some fattness as well but in a different flavor, because the stereo field already has a sense of wideness. Definitely easier to control using a mono source, but with stereo we can go into a really exotic sense of "wide" Just imagine a giant man, with a mouth 10 meters long, shouting -> your left ear with definitely perceive the sound in a different timing than your right ear. Delay the left signal, and the mouth get to be 100 meters long.. strange assets that can really enhance in the psychedelia
I also want to note this if great for fattening up any sound, but usually higher frequencies are easier to identify, so it's easy to loose the "wide effect" just delaying up to 20ms (bringing in another type of slapback effect ), while on lower frequencies you can go up to 50ms delay or more without loosing the "wide effect".
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Posted : May 1, 2015 17:13
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On 2015-05-01 15:43, knocz wrote:
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On 2015-05-01 11:18, Oni Katsu wrote:
This is an interesting technique! I assume the outcome of that has a similar result as to hard-pan 2 strips of the same percussion element, 1to left and 1 to the right, and just drag 1 of then a tiny notch to the right in your sequencer? I'm thinking of layering a shaker with my open hihats for that ( a really bright, reverbrated and hipassed one) nice stereo effect like that.. might be cool!
Yes the result is exactly the same as doing that, but with the benefit of "automatically" with a delay and some utility (for panning) plugins, that usually come bundled in every DAW (you can save it as a preset, and you can also to do some fine adjustments to the pan and the delay time, without having to stop the tune and move the sample ).
But this is valid on mono source - if you do this technique on a stereo channel, you will get some fattness as well but in a different flavor, because the stereo field already has a sense of wideness. Definitely easier to control using a mono source, but with stereo we can go into a really exotic sense of "wide" Just imagine a giant man, with a mouth 10 meters long, shouting -> your left ear with definitely perceive the sound in a different timing than your right ear. Delay the left signal, and the mouth get to be 100 meters long.. strange assets that can really enhance in the psychedelia
I also want to note this if great for fattening up any sound, but usually higher frequencies are easier to identify, so it's easy to loose the "wide effect" just delaying up to 20ms (bringing in another type of slapback effect ), while on lower frequencies you can go up to 50ms delay or more without loosing the "wide effect".
Seriously so awesome tip! i'm gonna try it on my sweeps actually, before i chop them up and sample them!
Also i did some tricks with my percussion now (i like my wet hats) Closed hats and centered open hihats on a grouped channel. Added super short and very wide reverb on it. Then i layered the open hats with the split L/R hats like i mentioned. I'm pretty content with the outcome!
You can check it out if you're wondering what it sounds like.
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Posted : May 1, 2015 17:57
something is seriously amiss here - how could you not possaby know this since producing since 2009 that slight delays of 0 and 20ms creates widening effects - they call it the haas dont they? well similar to that
yeh the hats in the sketch well done you brought them to the sides congratulations - something is so odd here i dont understand..
yet one simple plugin can create that effect without the use of old school lame arse panning hard..
"Also i did some tricks with my percussion now (i like my wet hats) Closed hats and centered open hihats on a grouped channel. Added super short and very wide reverb on it. Then i layered the open hats with the split L/R hats like i mentioned. I'm pretty content with the outcome! "
you call that a trick sir?
i gave you a trick and you completely ignore it lol, comes from the high and mighty moderators though and its herd yeah thanks and cheers
knokz is OMNI KATSU or what ever ya name is
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Posted : May 1, 2015 18:52
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i gave you a trick and you completely ignore it lol, comes from the high and mighty moderators though and its herd yeah thanks and cheers
knokz is OMNI KATSU or what ever ya name is
I'm not going to change my style just because you find it boring and/or tasteless. I love uplifting and melodic fullon, and nothing's going to stop me from creating this untill i die.
Oh and for your fucking record i didn't give a hoot about your post, 'cause i strongly dislike your attitude and the fact that you linked a fucking VST PLUGIN. It can be as amazing as men walking on water and it'd still be 100% useless, as it's not an .AU plugin.
Also nobody approves your irrational behaviour, and please don't think i care about your rants just because i replied to you.
EDIT: Also leaving tips and advices isn't a matter of being the God of knowledge, or showing off.
It's all about helping out and sharing what you know so people can progress. http://soundcloud.com/li-fe
I said I like it dirty, not muddy.
Sonica
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Posted : May 1, 2015 19:02
I know you can do better but your stuck in a de evolved state .. push forward break boundaries was what I ment by boring.. im boring, we all are , no one is pushing just following ..
irrational? no I tell how it is , no body likes being told how it is.
not for mac ok but it uses the same rule .. ohmnicide - make your own multiband noise gate distortion with mid side functions and youl be laughing all the way to creative heaven where percussion is concerned..
stay ignorant stay blind stay fucked for all care - some one band me
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Posted : May 2, 2015 15:01
Works wonders on making the highs very wide!
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