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John
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Posted : Mar 11, 2003 21:41
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Shame about what happened on Sat night at Loughborough Jnct/Rathgar Rd. I suppose it just the nature of the beast in getting a venue thats affordable to hire, and has ok security. By the very nature of venues that less commercial parties are using - they are often going to be semi legal at the best of times.
Trance parties are never going to give the bar takings or be able to charge the prices that more commercial venues would want, so are going to be forced into more out of the way or dodgy venues.
Personally i really like the EQ warehouse - but thats in the middle of no where.
Don't think there is any real solution to the decent venue problem - it just the way things are... but be interested to hear what people think.. |
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Mad Ron
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Posted : Mar 11, 2003 23:16
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My sister went to a party (LOST it was called, a techno night with Jeff Mills headlining) with about a 1500-2000 capacity and two long halls with big wooden beams accross the ceiling. like a big more urban crips barn. Its in the docklands, quite undergound feel, she said. Neither of us knows the name of the place.
I tried to look on lost.co.uk for the name but theydon't give it.
This could be a good alternative to the low ceilings at EQ and the tricky-to-get-around-ness of the rex. What do you think?
I did find one guy on a forum complaining about the club (still not mentioning its name!) but the other things he was compaining about like the quality of jeff mills' music (people I trust said that jeff blew them away) made me think that he may have been quite a snob. He said the bar was too small. (has anyone ever seen the EQ bar full? not me.)
I think that since thyssen st. the venues have been just fine but not so suited to the vibe of trance. Could this be worth looking into. I'm certainly going to try and find out more.
The number of djs in london who really understand how to make trance affect people seems to be pretty big now. A new venue might do them justice.
The K2 rig is a m a z i n g and some of the deco/visuals stuff around is pretty mental as well. (insideusall can do shows with loads of screens that always look awesome for example). The crowd will follow residents and quite obscure but talented live acts if they can smell the scent of a really coherent party.
(not meant to be an emotional call to arms its just what I'm feeling right now).
I'd be interested to know what the Phoenixs, Liquids, Chichimes, Carrots, Orders, Fairytales, etc. think about this. Their parties have been the most successfull in the current venues and many of them enjoyed the fun of Thyssen st (often remarking as to its massive logistical problems as well).
There is this HUGE phoenix on at the rex soon which will doubtless show even more how much support the trance scene has in london. Its a tricky time for the scene, could a big unified search for a venue make a difference? I know everyone is looking for the next place but they aren't big commercial promoters and they can't afford to take risks.
In conclusion:
Anyone spotting a nice venue of any kind in or near london or anywhere, Whack it on this forum if you possibly can so somemone can check it out.
the place I mentioned above may be a sligghtly half arsed start but it is a start.
Mayfair...what do you think?
Crash...could chill out be made more of physically?
EQ.....Do you really mind travelling?
Rex.....what do you reckon?
Arches....never went there!
Fridge.....classic venue, lost its chillout...
Lets see what people think...I think.
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Jsainsbury
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Posted : Mar 11, 2003 23:56
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the docklands venue is called the lighthouse, its used my more ravey type events and the security are heavy handed
the arches on southwark street are cool, undertow last week there was amazing i thought, the psytrance room really kicked off as well |
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psytwin
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 00:36
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the Mayfair may be. Apparently this place which could welcome much more people that we think, at the last Fairy tales party the dance floor was not totaly open.
For the EQ center, the probleme is the low roof !! we really feel like clostrophobie when the venue is packed.
The fridge !! no way !!!
May be the London bridg "Drom" : This place has been renovated and the capacity of entrance is massive.
The rex is one of the biggest place for the psy scene with a big capacity too.
Well, I think that the next step has to be bigger than that.
The problem is that it very difficult to find a place huge enough to get as much as poeple as a old theatre or cinema.
I think may be we have to look around an airport for a massive warehouse. It will be even more difficult to transform and decorate such a place but that will be a good challenge.
Otherwise it has to be an open roof !! but again if the weather against us then.....
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John
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 01:49
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Its strange how things change with time - people view the Fridge as a commercial venue but you go back a few years and it was an underground trance (and gay) venue. It is just recently that its become more main stream and runing half arsed "hard dance" (hate that term) nights- all with Phil Reynolds & K90, full of tourists and beer boys. I still like it as a space though and I bleive that a proper second room is due to be built.
Re: the Rex - there were massive problems getting people out to the Rex. Didn't Otherworld move out there from the Fridge then had problems getting people to go there and so nobody used it for ages.
I think Antiworld were the first to re-use the Rex after the Drome shut and their .. er.. problems at Tyssen St, and when Tyssen st shut down everyone of the bigger parties started using the Rex - but crowds are very slow to get used to venues. I know Undertow moved from the EQ because they were having real problems keeping the crowds that they had started to get at the Drome. But basically people go where people go...
In terms of bigger venues than the Rex - theres Brixton Academy (4500 cap) - no stranger to big underground trance parties and SEone (over 3000) be interesting to see whats its like a week on sat.
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 02:08
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Re: the Rex - there were massive problems getting people out to the Rex. Didn't Otherworld move out there from the Fridge then had problems getting people to go there and so nobody used it for ages.
...and when Tyssen st shut down everyone of the bigger parties started using the Rex - but crowds are very slow to get used to venues.
In terms of bigger venues than the Rex - theres Brixton Academy (4500 cap) - no stranger to big underground trance parties and SEone (over 3000) be interesting to see whats its like a week on sat.
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Astral Phoenix was at Tyssen Street from '97. When it shut down we moved to EQ, and then most parties jumped on this venue too (imo, not healthy for the scene).
Otherworld were the first in the psy-scene to attempt the REX, alas their promotion was lacking & their crowd was not underground enough to persuade them to move from "samsara" (fridge).
The REX became popular after ppl became feed up with the EQ (the EQ management said that the air conditioning & cold water in toliets would be sorted when we first started, but never was... so we moved to the REX).
John, the Rex is VERY easy to get to; jubillee, Silverlink, Docklands Lines (and central line when its fixed), plus it's a major bus terminal.
I think there are loads of venues at the moment;
REX,
SEOne,
Mafair,
EQ,
Arches,
OUTDOORS,
We've never had it so good...
The future is positive, the future is bright!!!
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 02:17
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I think may be we have to look around an airport for a massive warehouse.
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In my dreams!!!
How easy would this be to get to????
For a venue to "take off" it needs to be close to a tube/train/bus station within zone 3...
unless of course its a free party outdoors...
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John
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 12:01
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" Astral Phoenix was at Tyssen Street from '97. When it shut down we moved to EQ, and then most parties jumped on this venue too (imo, not healthy for the scene)."
If memory serves me well - thought Undertow were first to start using EQ.
"Otherworld were the first in the psy-scene to attempt the REX, alas their promotion was lacking & their crowd was not underground enough to persuade them to move from "samsara" (fridge)."
At the time - the fridge was more than "Escape from Samara" - and that had a lot more of an "underground" crowd when it started than when it caught the backpacker market.
"John, The Rex is VERY easy to get to; jubillee, Silverlink, Docklands Lines (and central line when its fixed), plus it's a major bus terminal."
I think my point - though not very well made, was that it takes a bit of time to get people used to going to new venues.
And my overall point was that part of the nature of doing parties at the not-quite-so-big budget end if the market is that you have to put up with dodgier venues - so when the Police come down and shut an unlisensed venue like on sat - it just one of those things that comes with the territory.
"We've never had it so good...
The future is positive, the future is bright!!!"
Well its good to finish on a positive note!!
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 14:22
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If memory serves me well - thought Undertow were first to start using EQ.
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The Nexus (run by Astral Phoenix & Chichime) was the first to use the EQ. This was the night that Tyssen Street was shut down, leaving just a couple of hours to check out the EQ and make a decision to use this venue or not. After this all other parties from Tyssen Street moved to the EQ.
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At the time - the fridge was more than "Escape from Samara" - and that had a lot more of an "underground" crowd when it started than when it caught the backpacker market.
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Otherworld moved from the fridge after "RTTS" & "Science Fiction" left, leaving "Samsara" free reign at the fridge with its clubby (non underground) crowd.
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John
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 14:54
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thanks for there reply
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The Nexus (run by Astral Phoenix & Chichime) was the first to use the EQ. This was the night that Tyssen Street was shut down, leaving just a couple of hours to check out the EQ and make a decision to use this venue or not. After this all other parties from Tyssen Street moved to the EQ.
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I stand corrected- though think Undertwow were first (or one of first) to use it regularly on a monthly basis
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Otherworld moved from the fridge after "RTTS" & "Science Fiction" left, leaving "Samsara" free reign at the fridge with its clubby (non underground) crowd.
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Again, I think its important to remember that, despite how it ended up, Samsara started off as an underground night - I like both psy & trance techno/hard trance (or whatever you want to call it) - but there is a tendancy in the (mainly london) psy trance scene to equate "psy trance = underground" and "trance techno = not underground" but theres a topic for another day... |
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Mad Ron
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 16:50
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Cheers for the reply mike, I see what you mean about,"we've never had it so good" its easy to forget what a dynamic scene is going on at the moment. There is still this feeling that a lot of people aren't happy with some of these venues though. Maybe its just an emotional attachment to some of the places in the past. (in 5 years I'll be wining about how great the good ol' days at the EQ were).
I hope more people put forward views though as this is something that always comes up when talking to other acts/promoters.
It should be said though that everyone is doing awesome shows with what they have now. The last Infected Live at the rex was a real treat, the other smaller parties are going from strength to strength getting big respect for their innate styles of party and the quality of their residents. Can't be there on the 29th but it should be a stonka.
henry
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lurk
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 17:44
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As someone who has partied in London for several years, and now lives in Amsterdam, I think it's quite funny to hear people moaning about the lack of venues in London, and saying things like "it's too far to the Rex". Here in the 'dam, the biggest venue that psytrance promoters can rent for a full night (10pm - 7am) is for 600 people, and there are only 2 of those. 95% of music venues here (in the so called party capital of europe) are forced to close at 4am on the weekends. On top of this, in the last yer or 2 the mayor has evicted all the squats where it was possible to party, and if anyone finds an empty warehouse for the night, you can pretty much garuntee that the police will be there within the first hour or 2 to shut it down. The same goes for outdoor parties as well.
So basically, if we want to go to a "london" type party we have to travel a tleast 2.5 hours to belgium or germany... so be thankful for what you've got. I'm not having a go, or calling anyone spoilt (we still manage to have a lot of fun), i'm just trying to put some perspective on this subject
one question though... whatever happened to the Rocket ? that was an awesome venue. |
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John
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 17:50
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I hope I haven't come over as overly negative - there's more psy-trance parties going on now at different venues than there has been for years - so barring the odd hiccup we should count our blessings.
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willinus
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 20:05
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By the way guys down here, I think the BIGGEST VENUE is ALWAYS the OPEN VENUE !!! .........no problems of conditioners, space, toilets or any private places......just DO EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING IN THE JUNGLES !!! the wild aliens will take u into a deep psychotic atmosphere !
SO JUST CHILL GUYS and enjoy the party.........venues will come and go....and in future we may see many companies closing down and thus warehouses empty for us !!!
So lets all say,
OM HARI OM SHIVAYA !
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MurrayF
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Posted : Mar 18, 2003 16:31
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If you ask me, the London psy-trance scene has never had it so good! Over the last few months there have been a spate of psy-trance squat parties in Shoreditch, bizarrely just round the corner from where I work, and this coupled with the new psy-trance room at Undertow, and the long awaited resurrection of the Drome for The Synergy Project means that E15 no longer holds the monopoly when it comes to venues. I for one hope this trend continues. |
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