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djtikis
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Posted : Apr 28, 2004 14:12
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message for all promoters!!!Have it thought to make party for chritable aims,free djs free
entrance free everthing will be free for one aim...SPIRIT...........
p.s.respect to vinyl
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Guybrush Threepwood Jr.
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Posted : Apr 29, 2004 16:01
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seems there is a confusion here..
Should it be for charity or for the 'spirit'?
If it is going to be for the 'spirit' then all's good, no entrance fee!
If it is for charity, then where will the money come from? I think a small fee should be asked..while the djs should play just for the sake of it! would be nice..
And anyway, promoters are not known for their 'noble' and altruistic ideals...So my friend, your proposal seems to be lost in the vortex of the promoters' money-making machine!
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DETOX
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Posted : Apr 29, 2004 20:57
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Yeah those evil promoters without noble and altruistic ideals that suck your blood and money,its all their fault indeed.
Guybrush since you seem to be noble and altruistic enough why dont YOU organise a free event for the spirit of the scene or a charity event with a small fee?
Do that and then critisise the others.Oh and when the club owner,sound provider and artists come to you after the event to ask you for their money tell them that 'Hey it was for the spirit of the psy scene guys' and tell us how they will react.
Its easy to organise free and charity events with words but Mr.Guybrush this is planet Earth and not the Monkey Island so things work quite differently than you think.
So say Goodbye Cruel Adventure Game and return to the real world mate.
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Guybrush Threepwood Jr.
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Posted : Apr 30, 2004 00:25
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Well mr.Detox I DO have organized parties for the spirit of it, along with friends(outdoors and in clubs), I and I can asure you I had better time there than in all of the 'big' parties I've been together.
It's just a matter of good will and a few people willing to 'put' a little money in order for everyone to have fun! You don't need to have 4 supernames in order to listen to great music and have fun-it just takes a bit of craziness, 'spirit' and to rent a good soundsystem for some hours! and believe me, there are great artists willing to play for just their plane tickets.
As for the club owner(if we suppose the party has to be in a club) he/she will gain from drinks, juices, etc..or at least from a SMALL fee..(as opposed to 35 euros)
now, if the artists are used to getting paid like opera singers in Megaro Mousikis, that's part their fault and part of the promoters..when something becomes business, then the laws of the market apply..! won't argue at that! but does it have to be so?the question is what business has to do with FUN between people!?
..and by the way, I always thought psychedelic parties had more to do with Monkey Island than with planet earth...but then again that's just..silly me!
ps/I always wondered..why do parties in holland or germany(places that i have personal experience) cost 1/3 of greek parties..hmmm...for example 'psychedelic circus' this summer in germany, which featured many live sets, including Analog pussy and Tsuyoshi(the super-commercial artist) and had the most amazing deco and lazer show in 3 stages, had 35euros ticket for 3 days!!! hmm...especially when germans have twice the greek salaries??
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Posted : Apr 30, 2004 00:59
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Guybrush sorry but i think that we are confusing the term PARTY here.
I am talking about parties for more than 300 people otherwise i can get a big soundsystem at my home,invite 50 friends of mine and play our music and have fun,but this will not help the scene cause it will be a private party for certain people.The problem is how is it possible to organise free parties or charity parties for the majority of the psy heads in our country which for me is quite impossible.
Concerning artists some of them get much money and some of them get less money,depends the artist.Well thats not a problem anyway except if someone is organising big commercial events.The problem is,and i think that i disaggree with you on this one,that at least for me Parties which means fun for the people is on a very big percentage a business thing.I mean a party demands money,a lot of money so how cant it be business?Thats my point of view at least.
P.S Dont bother comparing parties in our country and in countries like Holland and Germany.Its like comparing apples and watermelons,they are both fruits but they are tottally different.
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Guybrush Threepwood Jr.
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Posted : May 1, 2004 00:49
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Detox, I would be really glad if you could fill me in, since I seem to be missing something here...
Why shouldn't I bother comparing parties in Greece with parties in Holland or Germany??what is it exactly that makes them so different? is it something in the air? is it something on their Euro coins that makes them more valuable?
Or is it simply the MENTALITY AND THE NON-BUSINESS ATTITUDE OF THEIR PROMOTERS??
Please provide me with a comprehensive answer, not another 'apple-watermelon' metaphor!
PS/ Ironically enough, I saw today on isratrance main page a link to this year's psychedelic circus..well if you go there, u can see the line up, you can see the other facilities provided, and you can see also that the ticket price is 30euros at the door and 22euros presale! And we are talking about a 3-day event, which is by no means a 'private' party. Doesn't this event require 'money,lots of money' as you say?
Amazing,isn't it?makes you feel kind of weird (to use a modest expression) when you pay 35 euros or so for a 1 night event in athens-let alone the price of the water,etc...
I mean no offense, I would just like a clear and straightforward answer!
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Posted : May 1, 2004 01:17
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Guybrush you shouldnt be comparing Greece with countries like Germany and Holland concerning parties issues for the same reasons that you shouldnt compare our country with these countries concerning salaries,medical insurance,level of education and thousands of other issues.Greece is in Europe but that doesnt mean that it is equal with Germany and Holland.We are talking about different levels here.Its like comparing Albania with Greece,we are both in the Balkans but we are one level at least higher that the neighbour country.
So to make things clear about the parties issue i will just state to you that in other countries almost everything is much cheaper in order to organise an event than in Greece,from the artist fees to the sound rent and from the club rent to the promotional expenses.And ofcourse the sallaries are at least double than in our country.
I mean in Greece you need 3000-4000 euros to rent an average club of 800-1000 people capacity while in USA or Portugal or France with these money you can rent a much bigger and better club or even a same size club which is much better looking from our 'clubs'.Plus an artist asks 3000 euros for a live and dj set to play in Greece while in Germany for example he asks 2000 euros.
As you can understand in Greece you have to pay more money for less quality,thats the way things work at the moment,its not easy to change that cause the people that control the scene dont want that to be changed,and ofcourse i am not talking about promoters here but mostly for club owners mostly cause these are the people that control the dance scene in every country.
Do you know that if you want to organise a decent event on a Saturday night in Athens it is virtually imposible to find a decent club?
So please stop comparing us with Germany and Holland cause their music and club culture are to another level.I mean in Holland they have every week super duper events in out of space clubs with 10000 people capacity while in Greece the Samothraki Festival hosted lets say 10000 people last year and it was the biggest event in our country,for Dutch promoters that organise events in stadiums with 50000 people capacity we are a joke hehe.
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Guybrush Threepwood Jr.
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Posted : May 1, 2004 17:18
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Oh those evil club owners that don't want change in our scene!And those fantastic party promoters that try to change the situation!I am sooo touched!Keep fighting guys! LOL
Let's stick to the facts mr.Detox--
How is it that in Germany and Holland everything that is related to organizing a psyparty is cheaper??When everything else is more expensive?And don't they have there 'bad' club owners-is it just a greek thing?
Do you know these numbers, or are you just guessing?
And even if party expenses(artist fees, soundsystem+ club rent,etc) are indeed lower there(for some mysterious reason..), then sure they aren't THAT lower, to justify such a huge difference in ticket price!
Or is it the problem that we have small and ugly clubs as you imply? Well, apothiki in Peiraios, where the most massive and succesful events happened the 2 last years, wasn't small, nor ugly! Nope, it was very nice.
As for the number of attendance in psyparties, Greece is doing very well! Many people go to psyparties-so don't tell me that "in small little greece we have no club culture, but in fancy European Germany and Holland there are huge parties--that's a myth;
In fact, more people listen to psychedelic in Greece than in Holland! And in Greece it is only psyparties that are so expensive-I mean it is cheaper to go to Venue or Privilege (lol)...and psy is supposed to be 'underground'..my ass
The only real problem we have in Greece are the cops//..and the promoters of course!!
And since you mentioned samothraki festival..geeez...160 euros for the ticket???I better take a plane to germany and back!
SO, it's mainly the promoters' fault-and if you want to answer to that, better have a good argument next time. Don't expect me to believe that a greek promoter needs 35 euros from each person to cover his expenses/He just needs it to have a hell of a profit!!!(and the receipt says 5 euros or so)
PS//I don't know about Albania, but in Croatia, Poland, Skopia(FYROM),Czeck republic,etc. psyparties rock big time!! What about their 'club culture' there?
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Posted : May 1, 2004 18:50
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Dear Guybrush.
I dont know why organising an event in Germany or Holland is cheaper than organising an event in Greece but thats what the numbers state,and trust me i know these numbers from various promoters there so i am not guessing anything
I think that it has to do with the great number and variety of clubs and promoters in those countries,i mean Berlin has as many clubs as all Greece has for sure,so maybe competition gets the prices much lower there.
Oh by the way who told you that everything else is more expensive in other European countries than in Greece?Personally i am buying everything from other countries,from clothes to even electronics.Even New York that is one of the most expensive places in the world is much cheaper on most sections from Athens hehe.
To organise a psychedelic event in another country costs 25% lower than organising an event in Greece just for your info.Have you ever organised a big event by the way?I am asking cause i want to know if you have any idea about the expenses of a big event.
About Apothiki at Peiraios that you mentioned well please allow me to know first hand and much better than everyone else in this place about the expenses there and the cost of events with those massive line ups and level of production.By the way i miss that place for sure more than you do hehe.
Psytrance is doing indeed well in our country comparing to countries like Holland and Germany but you forgot to mention that every weekend Holland lets say has 300.000 clubbers and we have no more than 30.000 hehe.Its not psytrance that we are analyzing here but the whole club culture thing cause psytrance is a part of this culture.
Oh and please dont tell me that its a myth that Germany and Holland have higher level club culture.Have you ever heard of events like Love Parade in Germany and Dance Valley and Mystery Land in Holland?I mean the Love Parade gathers as many clubbers as Greece does throughout the whole year hehe.
Oh and about Venue that you mentioned and clubs like Privilege and U Matic.You forgot to mention that the promoters of these clubs are also the club owners hehe.Not to mention the huge sponsors and exposure from television and radio that they have since they deal with mainstream music.
The cops are a problem mainly for psy trance events in our country,thats common knowledge indeed.
Well about Samothraki everyone is free to decide if he wants to go or not.
Before accusing the promoters make sure you know all the aspects of organising a big event (like the ones at Apothiki that you mentioned for example) i am sure that when you discover all the expenses you will be surprised about many things
Promoters make many mistakes and wrong moves but are not for sure responsible for all the bads in our countrys club culture.
P.S Does Poland and Czech Republic host big psy trance events?Sorry but i have never heard about them.About Croatia that you mentioned i dont think that we can compare it with our country,i mean we are into another level in all aspects,and the same applies to Fyrom ofcourse.
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Moonsun
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Posted : May 1, 2004 20:47
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I cannot understand whats all the fuss aboat, GREECE is very strong with laws, so parties happen on different times, if a bust goes down there might not be a party for 1 month. so we cannot compair holland or other countries with greece, holland in a drug free country. Im not sayng that paying 160 euros for samothraki is logic, but thats it ,it will happen so if you want go, iv been playing mostly out of greece and some people now me here, mostly parties now are to common all the most djs are known, so the people just go for the name and to do stupied things so the can destroy the hole seen, if you want to go to a party dont go to a festival go to thailand or goa in the mountains to a hidden party, witch i would say a is a wise choice. And i go back to say that no one will have a party for charity because no one gives a shit, if you have a party and say that i will put 10 euros for charity per person, 30 people will pay and 200 will be on the gest list and 50 will bargen the price , but if you pay 150euros for 50 names every one will go. i would say lots of people are getting tierd so in a few years lots of people will be out of the seen and 15 year old kids will be the party generation and all the older guys will have good memories, so be underground , Respect to people on spiritual level. |
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