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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 13:46
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I have been thinking about these four letters in the last couple of days quite a bit. What each of them stands for and of the meaning of PLUR as a "slogan" of the trance scene.
For me there seems to be a problem in the PLUR idea. deejayridoo has been talking about it before, when he was suggesting to change the U(nity) for a D(iversity) and I would like to take that issue up again.
I believe, that we are all connected and comeing from the same source, but that life is created to experience diversity. If there was complete unity, there would be only the All&Nothing, or God, or whatever you want to call it.
Instead of focussing on unity, on discovering what is 'the same' in the other, we should imo focus on our differences and learn to like each other for these differences and the diversity that brings in life.
Unity often contradics respect. Because we can only integrate what is similar into a Unity, we often do not respect the diversity.
For me talking on a forum has a lot to do with respecting other peoples opinions and trying to understand other views of life.
I think there will be different opinions, as long as there is people and it makes no sense to fight against that or try to supress other peoples views, that leads to war.
I think we can only live in peace, when we include everybody.
We are not 'winning', or learning, or evoluting in any way, if we are excluding people. It only shows, that we are not living up to our own standarts of respect, love and peace towards the diversity of life.
   
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IndiAlien
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 14:15
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I like the way u think Pointy 
'Unity in Diversity' - J.L. Nehru
P.L.UxD.R. 
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 16:23
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On 2004-10-15 13:46, Pointy wrote:
I have been thinking about these four letters in the last couple of days quite a bit. What each of them stands for and of the meaning of PLUR as a "slogan" of the trance scene.
For me there seems to be a problem in the PLUR idea. deejayridoo has been talking about it before, when he was suggesting to change the U(nity) for a D(iversity) and I would like to take that issue up again.
I believe, that we are all connected and comeing from the same source, but that life is created to experience diversity. If there was complete unity, there would be only the All&Nothing, or God, or whatever you want to call it.
Instead of focussing on unity, on discovering what is 'the same' in the other, we should imo focus on our differences and learn to like each other for these differences and the diversity that brings in life.
Unity often contradics respect. Because we can only integrate what is similar into a Unity, we often do not respect the diversity.
For me talking on a forum has a lot to do with respecting other peoples opinions and trying to understand other views of life.
I think there will be different opinions, as long as there is people and it makes no sense to fight against that or try to supress other peoples views, that leads to war.
I think we can only live in peace, when we include everybody.
We are not 'winning', or learning, or evoluting in any way, if we are excluding people. It only shows, that we are not living up to our own standarts of respect, love and peace towards the diversity of life.
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very interesting insight man...not a bad thught!
~peace be with everyone~ |
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Dencrypt
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 16:32
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A very nice thought and I totally agree with you. However. 'PLDR' doesn't sound as nice
But maybe a Peace Love Unified Diversity And Respect could do it. PLUDAR!
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karnaf
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 16:49
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killah thought 
I believe that the same way Love is not one specific thing, Unity doesn't have to be "everyone-is-the-same". (there is a difference between loving your parents, your spouse, youself, your favorite artist, etc.)
For me even the ability to listen to another person is a sign of unity, because when you are willing to listen, you consider that person as an equal, and therefore you are a part of the same group.
What I'm trying to say is that Unity and Diversity are not antonyms, but two different things. I disagree with your claim that unity often contradicts respect, but once again, it is based on my definition of unity...
PLUR and everything that is fluffy.
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 16:53
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Basilisk
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 17:16
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I agree... it's just thingy.
S.P.L.U.R.F.
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 17:29
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I think that UNITY itself means diferent things/people/thoughts trying to work together on something... UNITY itself englobes DIVERSITY, because in order to one unite with other, they have to be diferent or diverse... [ex:you can't unite salt with salt..because the result would be salt anyway  ...but you can unite salt with water, and make a totally diferent thing...an UNIFICATION...]
Peace, Love, Unity, Respect...(between diferent human beings)
(not the best example for what i ment, but i think you get the point )
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deeplydisturbed
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 18:07
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you can respect another person for their views or for who they are,but that does not mean you have a common unity
just a thought
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Stash
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 19:29
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On 2004-10-15 13:46, Pointy wrote:
Unity often contradics respect. Because we can only integrate what is similar into a Unity, we often do not respect the diversity.
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u said Unity contradicts respect and then u go on to say that we donot respect diversity........
dont quite undersatnd what your trying to say???
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 19:47
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she points out that the process of establishing unity has so often been a massacre towards the minorities.
just an example (and as we´re on isratrance here...):
considering the conflict between israel and palestine establishing pseudo unity would mean that one "party" turns out to be the winner of this conflict.
but there is no unity, never was nor ever will be in this dualist world.
the only uniting force in heterogeneous countries is the constitution and the language. that´s it. (or do you feel any link between you and your neighbor who´s allways complaining about the music you listen to or the clothes you wear etc.
OF COURSE NOT.
but you´ll let them live anyway, just ignoring them or trying to have least possible contact with them.
just pure indifference, or even better, stoicism
(i know thios contradicts most religions having strong missionary eagerness, but this is what i blame them for - allways wanting to convert people who think different or believe in something elese...)
the best to happen is a so called "win win situation", where no one is the winner or the loser...
so we have to accept that and try to live in respect "side by side" instead of together as a unity...
we live in a postmodern world where the particularities have been released from heteronomy of the "mainstream"/ "ascendant class of society"...
so i have to accept that i cannot share my way of living, thinking, believing etc. with others (besides the very close ones like family/ friends etc., but even there it gets discordant very rapidly...).
but we can learn to live in peace, even without any harmony. learning to respect other opinions and ways of life without the need of unity on the basis of pure tolerance and respect. |
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Pointy
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 21:13
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On 2004-10-15 16:49, karnaf wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that Unity and Diversity are not antonyms, but two different things. I disagree with your claim that unity often contradicts respect, but once again, it is based on my definition of unity...
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I was thinking about that too, when I was writing my earlier post. There are slighly different definitions of Unity and I can understand your viewpoint, karnaf (or at least I think I do). Still the slight difference in definitions possible makes quite a drastic change and I wanted to point that out 
deejayridoo explains very well from which viewpoint I was talking ( great words  )
The main thing I wanted to say, is that we should reflect on the meaning of what we are so frequently using as an expression here and what it means in practical life.
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 23:24
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I understand where you're coming, but on the other hand, I guess changing one for the other could just as well be interpreted in some way to make it not sound 'good'..
to me, I would either say for everybody to not care, as indeed it's just a 'thingy', or favour more the inclusion of both, or as someone said, PLUDAR.. Why? Because Unity and Difference (or plurality) are mutually necessary.. All world is a creation emanating from the unity, but becoming plurality. Indeed one of the aspects is to respect and accept diversity, but that should be done when realizing the underlying unity.
Also, there's no paradox in realizing both, if you see in a 'trinitarian' way, instead in the normal dualism. The meaning of trinity (as in all major religions/beliefs) is originally as a solution to the dualism.. We are stuck to the 'good-evil, right wrong, mind-body' dualism, but we must realize how there is a third part that unites both in a separate entity. Only then will we be able to resolve these paradoxes, or rather, as they say on 'waking life' movie, ''love, and make love with the paradoxes that bug me''
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PsyGoatDelic
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 23:41
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On 2004-10-15 13:46, Pointy wrote:
I have been thinking about these four letters in the last couple of days quite a bit. What each of them stands for and of the meaning of PLUR as a "slogan" of the trance scene.
For me there seems to be a problem in the PLUR idea. deejayridoo has been talking about it before, when he was suggesting to change the U(nity) for a D(iversity) and I would like to take that issue up again.
I believe, that we are all connected and comeing from the same source, but that life is created to experience diversity. If there was complete unity, there would be only the All&Nothing, or God, or whatever you want to call it.
Instead of focussing on unity, on discovering what is 'the same' in the other, we should imo focus on our differences and learn to like each other for these differences and the diversity that brings in life.
Unity often contradics respect. Because we can only integrate what is similar into a Unity, we often do not respect the diversity.
For me talking on a forum has a lot to do with respecting other peoples opinions and trying to understand other views of life.
I think there will be different opinions, as long as there is people and it makes no sense to fight against that or try to supress other peoples views, that leads to war.
I think we can only live in peace, when we include everybody.
We are not 'winning', or learning, or evoluting in any way, if we are excluding people. It only shows, that we are not living up to our own standarts of respect, love and peace towards the diversity of life.
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very interesting insight man...not a bad thught!
~peace be with everyone~
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not "man"! hehehe
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