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PsYSeKToR
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Posted : Jun 4, 2012 13:43:55
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How often "overdubbing" is used?How does it work?And what is the reason of using this effect in trance music? |
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Kryten
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Posted : Jun 4, 2012 14:17
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Hm, I would not really call this an effect...maybe more a technique of recording midi I would say. Has nothing to do with a specific genre and I guess asking how often it is used makes no sense really 
When you record midi in overdub mode, it simply means that existing midi notes are not overwritten while recording. Instead the new notes are just added to the existing ones....I hope I explained it correctly now
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snowdogg
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Posted : Jun 4, 2012 16:31
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its the same for ovr.dubbin audio |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jun 4, 2012 20:16
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effect? maybe psysektor means double tracking? |
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Kryten
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Posted : Jun 5, 2012 15:46
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PsYSeKToR
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Posted : Jun 5, 2012 15:47
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On 2012-06-04 20:16, Padmapani wrote:
effect? maybe psysektor means double tracking?
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Yes is it.  |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jun 7, 2012 20:51
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On 2012-06-05 15:46, Kryten wrote:
hm, whats double tracking? Same as layering?
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in non-electronic music you'd record for example a guitar part two times and pan one hard left and the other hard right for a wider stereo image and a fatter sound.
in trance music, of course, if you recorded a synth part two times you'd get exactly the same thing (if you're not using an analog synth), making the whole thing pointless. but you can get around this by introducing variation between the two channels, like detune, phase, eq, very short delay of one channel (=ADT) ...
you can try this easily in a synth like zebra by setting osc1 to dual detune to zero and width to max. when you turn up detune a bit you get instant wideness. if you do something like this to a rich sound, if will sound huge |
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makus
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Posted : Jun 7, 2012 22:43
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Double track is a huge thing. It is used very often indeed, for a reason. Actually 3 reasons: tighter, wider and fatter mix
Basically in real world double track is essential. Most of the instruments u record are mono, so tracking same thing twice for a nice stereo effect is a must. And it yeilds great results! Rhythm guitars, backing vocals, pads, strings, fx... Lots of applications.
From my experience, plain delay of one channel by 7-10 msec doesn't sound too musical. In fact, when applied to live instruments in many cases it sounds bad: robotic, not natural and very sterile. If I have a chance to record a synth or pad with slightly different settings twice, I do it.
In trance it absolutely the same: tighter, wider, fatter. I use Waves Doubler a lot. It is very simple and in most cases works instantly. But there are many ways for a good stereo effect with double track; the limit is only your imagination. Just process left and right channels slightly different until it sounds good and don't forget to check in mono.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jun 8, 2012 10:04
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makus said it well, i just want to add that many times instead of double tracking (especially for psytrance) i use a stereo delay with different settings left and right (synced to bpm). it is not a "trick" and pretty much obvious lets say one side 1/4 one side 1/8. many times one of them on dotted or triplet for great results, and of course cross feedback many times.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 8, 2012 11:34
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I do it everyday cause I use mono analog synths a lot in my tunes.
Recording twice means wide stereo image and off course, double the VCOs.
No need to use plugs that might alter the sound slightly, just raw double track power.
It is why I find the Moog Slim Phatty with full MIDI implementation, so much more handy than the Roland SH-101.
The simple stereo delay/reverb trick does help getting mono synth patches to sound more stereo, but using mono synths taught me a lot about mixing things in the stereo field.
You don't have to have every single thing far and wide in the stereo field. Keeping some stuff in mono whilst other stuff in stereo, helps mix separation.
All fun and games.
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 8, 2012 12:38
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lot of synths can output stereo sound but outputing in mono and then doubling lead to a different sound that can sometimes be more suited ( it can give a "cleaner" sounding result as left and right chanel are not detuned, good if you don t want that unisson spread feel)
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PoM
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Posted : Jun 8, 2012 12:56
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On 2012-06-08 10:04, faxinadu wrote:
makus said it well, i just want to add that many times instead of double tracking (especially for psytrance) i use a stereo delay with different settings left and right (synced to bpm). it is not a "trick" and pretty much obvious lets say one side 1/4 one side 1/8. many times one of them on dotted or triplet for great results, and of course cross feedback many times.
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not for the same "effect" but it can work well with unsynced stereo delay in the Haas range (with lfo modulation or not ) |
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PsYSeKToR
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Posted : Jun 10, 2012 07:33
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ooooh, thanx. Now im understand.
Thanx for tips |
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