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Overcoming “loopitis”
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 08:27
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I think its a bit of both, ADD and Obsessive Compulsive behavior.
ADD,, not like i totally 'space out' in-front of the PC. more like i set out to write a song and end up looping,, looking for perfection. loosing track of the main task.
and i get loopitus bad sometimes, making the most insignificant small changes for hours.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 08:43
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On 2010-06-04 01:57, piXan wrote:
ok it was kind of a joke , but when u think about it , it may be related to attention deficit disorder,
anyone here has been diagnosed that?
just curious
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I was diagnosed with ADD as a child. But it was a mistake, i'm dead sure of it. I was just uninterested in class.
so i was put on ritalin for a few months until the teacher at school realized i was'nt playing with my friend during school break. instead i was sitting alone contemplating god knows what, on drugs. so the teacher spoke to my mother and they put a stop to it.
1 week after i was back to my old cheerful self.
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Obelizk
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 09:06
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On 2010-06-04 08:43, *eLliSDee* wrote:
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On 2010-06-04 01:57, piXan wrote:
ok it was kind of a joke , but when u think about it , it may be related to attention deficit disorder,
anyone here has been diagnosed that?
just curious
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I was diagnosed with ADD as a child. But it was a mistake, i'm dead sure of it. I was just uninterested in class.
so i was put on ritalin for a few months until the teacher at school realized i was'nt playing with my friend during school break. instead i was sitting alone contemplating god knows what, on drugs. so the teacher spoke to my mother and they put a stop to it.
1 week after i was back to my old cheerful self.
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You were obviously contemplating 303 acid arpeggios and your friend couldn't understand.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 20:20
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Interesting discussion.
I still suspect that loopitis is much more prevalent than ADD and OCD together. 
I wonder if it’s a sign/way of procrastinating.
You know, how when you have a big project due at work or a big exam in school – suddenly your house really needs to be thoroughly cleaned and all the books on your shelves have to be sorted and your email account really needs to be cleared of junk etc. 
You keep yourself busy with a million of minute tasks that give you an easily noticeable result (neat bookshelves or nicely edged lawn) – so that you won’t feel bad about not accomplishing the big task you secretly dread.
So, loopitis is just a way to get some result by doing some work, while delaying the big and scary job of actually composing your track.
Anybody things I am onto something here?
P.S. eLliSDee, you were lucky with that teacher (and probably with the country too). In the US you’d probably still be taking that poison. There are very few ways left here for disciplining children without getting sued, so adults resort to drugging them. Big pharma with its behemoth sales force surely helps too. “Garden State” movie touched on this issue nicely.
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aciduss
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 20:27
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| So, loopitis is just a way to get some result by doing some work, while delaying the big and scary job of actually composing your track.
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True.
Also, snorted Ritalin is kinda fun >.< oopsy. |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jun 4, 2010 22:05
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On 2010-06-04 20:20, Maine Coon wrote:
You keep yourself busy with a million of minute tasks that give you an easily noticeable result (neat bookshelves or nicely edged lawn) – so that you won’t feel bad about not accomplishing the big task you secretly dread.
So, loopitis is just a way to get some result by doing some work, while delaying the big and scary job of actually composing your track.
Anybody things I am onto something here?
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I think you might be getting to the root of the problem here.
But, why would a person with loopitus unconsciously dread the main task?
is it to much of a chore?
besides,
i feel somewhat content just looping a part, changing this and that ever so slightly. muting the kick, triggering the bass and percussion ect. playing along with the keyboard.
for me, it is like jamming over an ever changing loop.
when i finally decide to get on with it. it feels more like work.
only looking forward to that sense of accomplishment when (i decide) its done.. and then that feeling doesn't last very long.
Maybe i should switch to Ableton. Make my exaggerated loops and just jam with that. PRESS REC.
i tried ableton before and i disliked the gui, so i never adopted it. the jamming capability of it might be just what the doctor ordered.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 5, 2010 01:28
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with that type of workflow, I think you'd really appreciate ableton.
as for loopitis...for me its an essential part of the production process. If you have no groove and different parts, you have nothing to arrange, nothing to build on.
A popular technique is to build up a solid loop into what could be considered a full phrase in a song, then strip parts out of it backwards in the timeline to create the build up to that section. This is good, and for me essential, because if I tried to think about arranging before I even have anything to arrange I would just get frustrated and confused.
The nasty part of it is just listening to the same loop and over and over and over without actually changing anything - either because you like it too much or you're uninspired. It's times like those that you should just stop. Either you will get frustrated with your lack of inspiration, or you will listen to the loop so many times that it becomes boring and you will end up chopping bits out that might have been interesting to someone else, simply because you didn't have the self control to hit the space button and move elsewhere, or take a couple minutes break to better acquaint yourself with your vaporizer 
This is *especially* important when dealing with kick and bass interaction - as listening to them for more than a couple of minutes at a time tends to distort your hearing and you hear things that aren't there, or mis-hear what is there.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 8, 2010 21:48
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the only way to overcome loopitis is to allow yourself to be sloppy. try jamming then going back and deleting what you dont liek and using a live jam as the basis for your non live arrangment of it
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 01:41
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edit.. only way can be deleted hehe
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 01:56
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lol,, but i know what you mean.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jun 27, 2010 11:33
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to add another dimension to this loop.
My friend produces electronic music with the right-brain artist mentality and does not care about the mechanical aspect about it.
He produces great artistic music in 3days (15 minute story songs that is wondrously awesome) ,, but hates it when i try to advice him about his mixing technique. He does not care about that at all.. he reasons that, if The Doors can make their beautiful art on 6 channel mixers, why is it important. just the music is important.
My hart is artistic but my brain is a lot more mechanical. and the design of the sound (like EQ) is as much a part of the art as the music itself is, to me.
He will never understand how something, like mechanical motorcycle maintenance, can be a art..
and how a 15 minute songs can take a year of looping and design.
For quality is important,,
but what is quality?
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aXis
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Posted : Jun 27, 2010 12:24
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looping is not writing music. Looping can help u write music better.
note by note.
if ur just adding one sound removing one sound and add reverse snare on 3rd and 7th beat and a crash at every bar then looping will be ur enemy. |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 21:24
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musAphira
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Posted : Jun 28, 2010 23:40
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loopitis is when you got all your tracks and fx and you're beginning to change the main bassline 
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makus
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Posted : Jun 29, 2010 10:57
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im not really into professional psychology as you guys, but i have 2 the most important and helpful recommedations of overcoming loopitus. both of them are quite hard.
1. learn to play an instrument. then play it. you will be able to develop your themes in the songs.
2. don't be lazy. dont copypaste. did you finish the second minute? don't copy it to the third one - make the new music! sure you will leave kick, bass and some percussions, but everything else is something to be changed.
on the other hand, you don't want to get rid off loops everywhere - loops give rhythm. you want people to dance? give them fucking loops!  but develop them.
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